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A Bunch of Reasons Why I Question Noah's Flood Story:

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Theism.

The suns radiation entered into earth first put metal of machine into the earth.

String theist status for want machine first is fake and God created the earth as is still making stone.

In fact the mind aware says wAter and ice is resealing reallowing the creation of stone to exist. As natural status.

Advice. Advised.

A varied reason.

One based on false want to copy the anti converter history. By thinking about what the sun radiation had caused earth to Inherit.

Yet false claim I will pretend I am doing it in a machine act inside machine only.

Yet he says sun radiation accumulated passed through earths stone seal. Idealises atmosphere will do the same to put what he wants channelled into machine inside

By passing through machine mass walls.

When all laws cosmic supported direct attack to earth mass by nuclear.

Is the reasoning a human theist the storyteller lied.

Bible gas his man reasoning plus his spiritual brothers overview why he said no man is God.

As to do a healers review you are a man and spiritual and not the scientist destroyer consciousness. Who says I am Satan first.

The pyramid showed in vision just stone caused human self combustion. By radiation ending pyramid technology.

Imagine one act worst metal and theory what it would cause.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
A prophet only knows what God has revealed to him. He can't see the future.



The flood could have been covering a very wide area, and naturally God could have told Noah to move to a different place.
..but He didn't. He told him to build a ship.
The animals on it weren't so much as to preserve the species, but for Noah & co. , when the flood had finally subsided. :)

You are entitled to think that scriptures are "stupid" etc, but I see that they are far from that.

Like I said, building ark for localized flood, is unnecessary and senseless, when the flood can be avoided by migrating his family to new location unaffected by the flood.

And btw, a ship is navigable through steering oars, and can be propelled by either rowing, hence the needs for oars, or by winds, hence there would be masts, sails and riggings.

The Quran is so vague about its design and construction, that it might just be box. While Genesis provide details about design and construction of the ark, that clearly indicted the ark is more an oversized decked raft or barge, not a ship.

There are no propulsion systems and no steering in either the Quran or in Genesis, hence the ark isn’t a ship.

Second, decked vessels don’t exist in the early Bronze Age (3100 - 2000 BCE).

Construction of decked ships are only found from the Iron Age and later. So the Genesis and Quran about the ark are anachronistic.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If the scientists who caused the UFO ark attack left where they lived and migrated into European countries owning ice change support less fallout then they did.

Left and travelled to other countries because of what science caused.

As documents owned historical advice plus man's reasons for idealising the stories. Built ark caused attack so left.

So science today says it is not science.

Fact. No its not science.

Science is practiced as man's direct choice in the position living human as old a human as you are personally. The status what is science.

New machines new changes to mass first does not confer old history. It owns new history right now.

Building. New study and a new book to add onto his collection of look what I caused.

Choice of men who claim they love us.

Why you are not believable.

Science tried to tell us that it's practices loved us. Both should be allowed to exist together he says natural life and machine destruction.

And preaches his preaching daily.

If you are not yet convinced that science lied in human life then you own no hope for life continuance on earth.

Our brother fought against false group just human preaching by human egotism for humans as humans to stop. Before egotism destroys us once again.

Named your false human group status practiced as hypocrites.

As none of you owned what you practiced or preached. Natural form. Natural history.

The teaching was a direct relative human egotism statement and how humans came about destroying all life on earth by its false preaching practices.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
My church has said that the Old Testament was not meant to be historical, but to bring people to God.
"Don’t expect the Old Testament to present a thorough and precise history of humankind. That’s not what the original authors and compilers were trying to create. Their larger concern was to teach something about God—about His plan for His children, about what it means to be His covenant people, and about how to find redemption when we don’t live up to our covenants."
 

gnostic

The Lost One
My church has said that the Old Testament was not meant to be historical, but to bring people to God.

The only parts that are historical in the Old Testament, are some parts in books of Kings, where we can verify that kings of Judah or Israel have interacted with foreign kings, through diplomacy, trade or wars, eg where the royal annals in Assyria recorded their rulers in such encounters with their contemporaries in Judah or Israel.

Nothing narrated from Solomon to their ancestors can be verified...

...not the people (eg Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, etc) and not the biblical events (Creation, Flood, Exodus, conquest of Canaan, kingship of Saul and David, Solomon empire and his fabled wealth, etc).

The problems are just the story of the flood & Ark, but also with the flood aftermath, like Table of Nations, Genesis 10, especially in regarding to Egypt and the cities of Assyria and Babylonia (Shinar).

For instances, with archaeology, the foundation of Nineveh and Uruk (Erech) were 6000 and 5000 BCE, while Kalhu (Calah) was constructed (during reign of Shalmaneser I) around 1250 BCE. How could Nimrod constructed these cities when they constructed in different millennia?

Nimrod would have to live 4 times longer than Adam.
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
If humans say let me time shift life.

The thesis would quote as I believe image began life before it owned biology.

Let me shift biology to just being first the image.

So he would then state microbe bacterias not owner of red blood bones is human bio decomposition began life. When the answer is the opposite of a totally destroyed biology.

To give his family his science answer that he wants caused. As he needed a machine to react change earths body and it's heavens.

Discussing a state. Cooled after a reaction owning image. A nuclear cause.

I time shifted human life into an image. Just the image.

Then claiming image began presence.

So you state cold clear not burning plus cold clear burning produces a spirit heavens reaction.

Yet cold clear burning was always burning naturally. So a theist doesn't own nor control it's history why.

Yet it is not a calculus as mass of cold clear also exists not reacting.

The scientist said I invent a held fixed state constant. I choose what I want it to be.

Modern thesis. One status. I want in science the immaculate.

Heavens owns it alight.

He says let me invent own a copy history of a human image in a large reactive atmosphere.

As time shifting is first wanted as biological by the human thinker himself. Realised. Even tells his own thinker you want life biology destroyed

He agrees. Theories about it even after he told his owned advice.

Even if he says it about just a Thesis he personally wants it. To copy cause it. Yet in advice it already is caused he knows he doesn't own the history of causes.

To invent.

Created creation is not any invention.

By status a human image is very cold to gain versus a natural atmosphere.

So he has to actually invent a cause for day light burning sky to stop burning. To say a cold enough human image gained.

As his fixed state heavenly constant. That he says I must cause myself.

To force the atmosphere to become colder.

To achieve what he said is his human image first.

Why today his answer is I want lightning to just be electricity. As in the heavens lightning was my thesis to get electricity. Yet I got it out of stone.

I now want it out of the heavens. So I must force a fixed state that the heavens does not own. O whole immaculate fixed state constant. Communicative body presence.

Reasoning. As I claimed I don't want any conditions to change. Meaning his supported very cold small just human image. Ignoring the heavens state.

I said an atom whole transmits as a God body. Don't change the atoms form is his quote.

So we ask him did you try to change the base form an atom into a reacted atom constant...no atoms?

Yes he said. A fixed held reacted atom.

Why he said OM was gods sound.

Why earths atmosphere flooded for forty days. Witnessed. Documented. Counted.

As he burnt earths gases into a giant fall out. Whereas it only owned a small little fallout.

Reversal of status. Natural heavens.

Atoms small very pressurised extremely cold owned natural transmitting.

Not metal mass a previous earth melt before it fused into a metal.

Pressure earth seam.

In space pressures held in empty space.

Scientist said I want earths heavens to be colder clear to bring the metal body forward into our heavens.

By science cause to break the law of space pressure. Holy mother.

When theists theory natural they believe control takeover becomes the machines position to enact all controls on the basis natural is first.

They are trying to make the machines position the outside mass of space itself as the theist.

Same theist making the same past claims that removed biology out of water support to mutate it as bacterias microbes presence first.

Shifts it by water mass ground evaporation to quote position image first.

As a total review the human theist.
 

CrochetOverCoffee

Ask me anything about the church of Christ.
Okay, this is a pretty big can of worms, and I'm obviously coming pretty late to this party (81 pages of responses!) so I'm not going to go over things point by point as I might have if I got here earlier. (I'm new to the forum.) Instead, I'll provide a couple of resources that might help you, or anyone reading, to understand what the philosophical mistakes being made in your statement are (most of them are dealing with the uniformitarian idea that the present is key to the past) but also what might actually have happened before, during, and after the flood.

The two worldviews are uniformitarianism and catastrophism; everything working the same way today as it did in the past, necessitating a very long timeline of billions of years, or catastrophic changes over a very short period of time, allowing for the much smaller timeline of the Bible to make more sense. There are a couple of things, like the number of animals that fall outside of that.

So to give a much more in-depth view into the science of catastrophism, I offer two films. The first is broken into four separate videos, and the second is all at once.


The Reality of Noah’s Ark

Happy viewing! :D
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
- The geological record simply does not support the idea of a "world wide flood".
- The fossil record does not support the idea of a "world wide flood".
- There should be a layer of massive death of modern animals and that evidence should be found worldwide; which of course, we don't see.
- The Ark was too large to be seaworthy. (SEE Wyoming (schooner) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). The rough seas would have twisted the Ark apart.
- The altitude to Mt. Everest places temperatures at a range of -15 to -30 Degrees Fahrenheit. Noah and his animal companions would have frozen to death.
- The altitude of Mt. Everest places an oxygen level insufficient for sustaining life. Noah and his animal companions would have asphyxiated, provided the cold didn't get them first.
- It would have taken years, possibly decades, for these animals to reach the Ark, passing through environments for which they would be ill suited. Their survivability at taking such a journey ranges from impossible to highly unlikely.
- Land plants would have been under water for a full year, causing their death and extinction. Thus, exiting the Ark, the herbivores would have been bereft of all food, causing their extinction as well.
- Coming off the Ark, the hungry predators would have done what predators do; hunt for food; in which case most prey would have immediately gone extinct.
- 2 of each kind exiting the ark causes insufficient genetic diversity. The inbreeding would have caused severe genetic defects.
- Repopulating the earth with their species could have only been accomplished with highly accelerated and unnatural reproduction rates.
- Conservative estimates for species on board the ark would have been: 17,400 birds; 12,000 reptiles; 9,000 mammals; 5,000 amphibians; 2,000,000 insects: 8 zookeepers are expected to care for such a large number of animals is beyond the realm of believability.
- Placing such large numbers in this confined area would have left no room for food and supplies. A pair of elephants, alone, would require 365,000# of food; and we haven't even gotten to the water yet!
- Even with the sheer bulk of the foodstuffs put aside, what are further problems of highly specialized diets of some species and the problem of food rotting without the benefit of modern methods of preservation.
- We would expect to find remains of animals where those animals do not belong in their movements across the world. We do not find Penguin remains or Kangaroo remains in Europe.
- In making the crossing, many of the animals would have needed a land bridge to cross large bodies of water. No such land bridges exist, nor is there any evidence of such land bridges ever existing.
- Changes in water temperature, pressure, sunlight filtration, salinity and ph balance. The flood would have devastated most aquatic life.
- The RMS Titanic has the dimensions of: 175' H, 882' L, 92' W and steel construction; yet it's capacity was 3,547 people and enough provisions for 2-3 weeks. The Ark's dimensions are supposedly 45' X 450' X 75' of wood construction; yet was expected to house over 50,000 animals, millions of insects, 7 people, a 600 year old man and enough provisions for a year ....
- The Rainbow itself is another mystery; the Rainbow is an optical illusion caused by the refraction of light; in other words, Physics. Thus, we are expected to believe that the physics of light behaved differently before the flood than they do now.
- Many parasitic organisms cause disease (Mosquitos, Tapeworms), which would have further severe implications on the survivability of such a voyage..
- Then, we have the problem of deciding where that incredible mass of water came from.
- Then, we have the problem of deciding where that massive mass of water went.
- Science has discovered many genetic bottlenecks among many species, including the Cheetah, the Human Being (Homo Saipien), Elephant Seals, American Bison, European Bison and many others. If such an event were to have occurred, we would have seen genetic bottlenecks of all species (which we don't see) happening at approximately the same time (which we don't see) being about 10,000 years ago (which we don't see).

And that is far from all of the problems in accepting a literal interpretation of Noah's Ark ....

So if you can believe ... or even question ... whether or not there was really a world wide flood from 6 to 10 thousand years ago, then you have not questioned the tale or are unwilling to do so.


One would be calling Jesus a liar to question the flood he spoke of it. Matthew 24:36-38-- Jesus was an eye witness to that flood. He wasnt named Jesus then though.
 

Daniel Nicholson

Blasphemous Pryme
- The geological record simply does not support the idea of a "world wide flood".
What geological record, specifically?

- The fossil record does not support the idea of a "world wide flood".

What fossil record is that. The one that is scant?

- There should be a layer of massive death of modern animals and that evidence should be found worldwide; which of course, we don't see.

I was not aware they dug up the whole world. I though they said the fossil record was incomplete for that reason, among others.

- The Ark was too large to be seaworthy. (SEE Wyoming (schooner) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). The rough seas would have twisted the Ark apart.

Seas, or sea of water? You know this? How?

- The altitude to Mt. Everest places temperatures at a range of -15 to -30 Degrees Fahrenheit. Noah and his animal companions would have frozen to death.
- The altitude of Mt. Everest places an oxygen level insufficient for sustaining life. Noah and his animal companions would have asphyxiated, provided the cold didn't get them first.

If you assume the world in Noah's day was the same as today, and assume that your assumptions are correct, you have created your own story, and gone away from the Noah's account.

- It would have taken years, possibly decades, for these animals to reach the Ark, passing through environments for which they would be ill suited. Their survivability at taking such a journey ranges from impossible to highly unlikely.

Again making assumptions that the world of Noah's day was the same as today, twists the Noah's account, and so you are creating a story to fit your assumptions.

- Land plants would have been under water for a full year, causing their death and extinction. Thus, exiting the Ark, the herbivores would have been bereft of all food, causing their extinction as well.

Seeds remain in the earth for years until their death when the produce a plant. Noah did not leave the ark before vegetation started to spring... according to the Biblical account.

- Coming off the Ark, the hungry predators would have done what predators do; hunt for food; in which case most prey would have immediately gone extinct.

Before they multiplied? Not according to Genesis. The Bible says, they multiplied, and there is no place that says Noah ran out of the food supply they brought on the ark.

- 2 of each kind exiting the ark causes insufficient genetic diversity. The inbreeding would have caused severe genetic defects.
Would the same be true of the people? Proof please.
- Repopulating the earth with their species could have only been accomplished with highly accelerated and unnatural reproduction rates.

Unnatural with the assumption that we are applying today's knowledge, circumstances, and make up to back then? That's to twist the account to suit our assumptions.

- Conservative estimates for species on board the ark would have been: 17,400 birds; 12,000 reptiles; 9,000 mammals; 5,000 amphibians; 2,000,000 insects: 8 zookeepers are expected to care for such a large number of animals is beyond the realm of believability.
- Placing such large numbers in this confined area would have left no room for food and supplies. A pair of elephants, alone, would require 365,000# of food; and we haven't even gotten to the water yet!
- Even with the sheer bulk of the foodstuffs put aside, what are further problems of highly specialized diets of some species and the problem of food rotting without the benefit of modern methods of preservation.

Assumptions. Again, applying what we have today to back then.

- We would expect to find remains of animals where those animals do not belong in their movements across the world. We do not find Penguin remains or Kangaroo remains in Europe.

This is assuming to a very great degree that animals didn't all adapted to be what they are today, from being quite different.

- In making the crossing, many of the animals would have needed a land bridge to cross large bodies of water. No such land bridges exist, nor is there any evidence of such land bridges ever existing.

Boats did. For centuries, and man used them to move and trade living animals.

- Changes in water temperature, pressure, sunlight filtration, salinity and ph balance. The flood would have devastated most aquatic life.

Possibly. What of it, though? Aside from that, there are assumptions made here as well.

- The RMS Titanic has the dimensions of: 175' H, 882' L, 92' W and steel construction; yet it's capacity was 3,547 people and enough provisions for 2-3 weeks. The Ark's dimensions are supposedly 45' X 450' X 75' of wood construction; yet was expected to house over 50,000 animals, millions of insects, 7 people, a 600 year old man and enough provisions for a year ....

50,000 animals? Who took the photo of that? I'd be happy to see what film looked like 4,000 years ago. :D

- The Rainbow itself is another mystery; the Rainbow is an optical illusion caused by the refraction of light; in other words, Physics. Thus, we are expected to believe that the physics of light behaved differently before the flood than they do now.

Not sure what this has to do with the flood, and where it fits in, but I think we can both make assumption about the world before and after the flood. Only, they will just be assumptions.

- Many parasitic organisms cause disease (Mosquitos, Tapeworms), which would have further severe implications on the survivability of such a voyage..

Ah. A mosquito. I wonder why the lions didn't eat everything on board. :D

- Then, we have the problem of deciding where that incredible mass of water came from.

Just read Genesis, from Chapter 6, and try not to imagine that the world of Noah's day was what we see to today.

- Then, we have the problem of deciding where that massive mass of water went.

If we read Genesis, we can see where it went.

- Science has discovered many genetic bottlenecks among many species, including the Cheetah, the Human Being (Homo Saipien), Elephant Seals, American Bison, European Bison and many others. If such an event were to have occurred, we would have seen genetic bottlenecks of all species (which we don't see) happening at approximately the same time (which we don't see) being about 10,000 years ago (which we don't see).

Oh. Those hypotheses... but those are ideas NewGuyOnTheBlock . Sort of like the ones you have.


There is no need to question a reliable source, but I think if one thinks there is reason, or are reasons for doing so, then they rightly should do what you are doing.
It's commendable to examine the facts, and try to evaluate truth.
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So there's no way to have a rational conversation with you I take it. Lol
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Okay, this is a pretty big can of worms, and I'm obviously coming pretty late to this party (81 pages of responses!) so I'm not going to go over things point by point as I might have if I got here earlier. (I'm new to the forum.) Instead, I'll provide a couple of resources that might help you, or anyone reading, to understand what the philosophical mistakes being made in your statement are (most of them are dealing with the uniformitarian idea that the present is key to the past) but also what might actually have happened before, during, and after the flood.

The two worldviews are uniformitarianism and catastrophism; everything working the same way today as it did in the past, necessitating a very long timeline of billions of years, or catastrophic changes over a very short period of time, allowing for the much smaller timeline of the Bible to make more sense. There are a couple of things, like the number of animals that fall outside of that.

So to give a much more in-depth view into the science of catastrophism, I offer two films. The first is broken into four separate videos, and the second is all at once.


The Reality of Noah’s Ark

Happy viewing! :D
God knew not everyone would listen to Noah.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Okay, this is a pretty big can of worms, and I'm obviously coming pretty late to this party (81 pages of responses!) so I'm not going to go over things point by point as I might have if I got here earlier. (I'm new to the forum.) Instead, I'll provide a couple of resources that might help you, or anyone reading, to understand what the philosophical mistakes being made in your statement are (most of them are dealing with the uniformitarian idea that the present is key to the past) but also what might actually have happened before, during, and after the flood.

The two worldviews are uniformitarianism and catastrophism; everything working the same way today as it did in the past, necessitating a very long timeline of billions of years, or catastrophic changes over a very short period of time, allowing for the much smaller timeline of the Bible to make more sense. There are a couple of things, like the number of animals that fall outside of that.

So to give a much more in-depth view into the science of catastrophism, I offer two films. The first is broken into four separate videos, and the second is all at once.


The Reality of Noah’s Ark

Happy viewing! :D
I am an hour and fifteen minutes through the first video, and I like it. It's very informative from a scientific perspective, and enlightened me on a few things I had not heard about.
For example, the Great Unconformity, and the Snowball Earth... or Sludgeball... Or...

They really do quite a lot of guessing, and I'm sure they are happy with whatever they can feel comfortable with, to support their worldview, or belief. Lol.
...but... A one-time occurrence before a one-time series of explosions in the fossil record. Hmm. :)

I am sure I can bet all my lifesavings, and possessions that @NewGuyOnTheBlock and the other believers like him, would not watch your video, which thoroughly addresses his OP. (That's a challenge. :grinning:)
I don't bet though.

Of course, I disagree with some of the speculations of those YECs, as well as their beliefs, but otherwise...
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For example... See here.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
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So if you can believe ... or even question ... whether or not there was really a world wide flood from 6 to 10 thousand years ago, then you have not questioned the tale or are unwilling to do so.

The biggest barrier is that no one has ever demonstrated that the claims of the story did happen, or even could happen.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The biggest barrier is that no one has ever demonstrated that the claims of the story did happen, or even could happen.
I'm considering there were no radiometric measuring instruments maybe 2500 years ago to say when the earth was formed, or when there was a catastrophic extinction.
 
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