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A Call for Unity in America

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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of the soul said:
I know that he went against islamic tradition, yet it is still build on it's basis; hence the in the name of God vice before every writing; Baha'ullah couldn't Dismiss that fact of Islamic Tradition.
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Baha'u'llah broke away from Islamic tradition and founded a new religion called the Baha'i Faith.

Of course there are some similarities, just as there are some similarities between Christianity and Judaism, since Christianity grew out of Judaism; but they are separate religions, because Judaism is based upon a Revelation of Moses and Christianity is based upon a Revelation from Jesus.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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PAUL MARKHAM said:
Unity can only come when you empathize with the other parties. You've shown zero empathy and zero unity for Republicans. You're full of joy the Republicans lost.
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How do you know who I empathize with?

Unity can exist in diversity. We do not have to all agree in order to be united.

I am glad Trump lost because he practically ruined this country. As far as I am concerned anyone who would follow him is as bad as he is.
PAUL MARKHAM said:
You only want a government that will do what you consider right. What if it was a government that banned small religions? Like Baha'is.
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No, as a Baha'i, I want a government that will do what is best for everyone.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Jayhawker Soule said:
So can I.

Given the context, I'm informed by Anand Giridharadas' observation that "you don't pursuer unity with your abuser."
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We don't make piece with our friends. And when we're stuck living with each other, learning to get along does become more of a necessity for an organized society.
 
Shadow Wolf

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Trailblazer said:
No, as a Baha'i, I want a government that will do what is best for everyone.
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Which is doing what's right. Such as, regardless of facts and opinions, regarding the election both Dems/Libs and Reps/Cons want the government to do what they feel is right. Everyone loves freedom and liberty. But not everyone agrees as to the extents and definitions of these two concepts.
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
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Shadow Wolf said:
Which is doing what's right. Such as, regardless of facts and opinions, regarding the election both Dems/Libs and Reps/Cons want the government to do what they feel is right. Everyone loves freedom and liberty. But not everyone agrees as to the extents and definitions of these two concepts.
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There is only one source that can unite our purpose in life, and that is God.

"The liberty that profiteth you is to be found nowhere except in complete servitude unto God, the Eternal Truth. Whoso hath tasted of its sweetness will refuse to barter it for all the dominion of earth and heaven."

Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 335

That is what I have found will work.

Regards Tony
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
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Shadow Wolf said:
Except for those of us who don't believe in a personal deity. And those who will not believe in any other god(s) than their own.
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That is why God is God and we fumble in the dark.

The plan unfolds, as our choices are known.

Regards Tony
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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nPeace said:
For the last 40 centuries, mankind has been looking to human rulership to satisfy their needs and expectations.
Which rulership has done that for you?

The word of God, through the prophet Jeremiah, reveals the prophet's understanding of the situation - the reality, that man cannot direct his own steps. Man's way does not belong to man.

Strange as that may sound, history shows that to be the case, and God's word tells us why.
Man was not designed to govern himself.
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So who do you believe is going to govern? Is God going to come and govern the world, or do you believe Jesus is going to come back to earth and govern.

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Jesus disclaimed bearing the government upon His shoulder when He said to “rend onto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's” (Mark 12:17, Matthew 22:21). Jesus disclaimed that He would establish a kingdom where he would rule with judgment and justice forever when He said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36).

Baha’is believe that Baha’u’llah was the Prince of Peace because world peace will be established during His religious dispensation. Baha’u’llah set up a system of government and it has already been established among the Baha’is. The institutions of that government are fully operational, but still in their infancy. They will be more developed in the future as the prophecy says (increase in government).

I believe that man will govern himself and the future government will be patterned after the institutions of government that the Baha'i Faith has set up which governments will voluntarily adopt.
nPeace said:
Adam found that out the hard way, but he saw it plainly. He probably never considered his limitations until then.
(Genesis 3:17-19) 17 And to Adam [God] said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 It will grow thorns and thistles for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”

By choosing to make decisions for themselves, man ran himself into a tangled web of a six foot spider. How?
Man's decisions are not unanimous, as though there were programmed into a chip, and placed in the brains of everyone.
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Baha'is do not interpret the story of Adam and Eve literally and we do not believe in original sin.

So you do not believe that man has free will whereby he should decide to make his own decisions?
Who then is going to make those decisions for man?
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Shadow Wolf said:
Which is doing what's right. Such as, regardless of facts and opinions, regarding the election both Dems/Libs and Reps/Cons want the government to do what they feel is right. Everyone loves freedom and liberty. But not everyone agrees as to the extents and definitions of these two concepts.
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That's true, so what do you see as the solution? How can everyone get on the same page, or should we stay on separate pages and remain divided?
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
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Shadow Wolf said:
I have no interest or desire to be submissive or subservient to a god. What does it have to do with me?
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Each of our choices and actions contribute to the health of humanity as a whole.

The question we can then ask, is what are we doing to foster a world where every person has the rights others have?

Regards Tony
 
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