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A centrist-moderate only sub-forum?

Would you use a Centrist or Moderate Only political subforum?

  • Yes, I would

    Votes: 8 34.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • No, I would not

    Votes: 10 43.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 4 17.4%

  • Total voters
    23

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I think we could have a centrist forum, although people would tire of dishonest far right/left posters posing as centrist and posting there.
But attaching the word moderate to centrist would seem to imply that the left for example is not moderate. Unless you wanted to further subdivide leftist forums into moderate and extreme.
We already have moderate and extreme leftist forums. We have open Maoists and Stalinists on here and they are allowed their own area! The only right-wing forum we have is the Conservative DIR and maybe the Capitalist one, although you obviously don't have to be right-wing to be a capitalist but the left would like you to think so these days.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So....Maoist or Stalinist or both or neither? (I'm a bit thick)

No worries. :)

A marxist-leninist is someone who broadly agrees with the views of Karl Marx, Fredrich Engels and Vladimir Lenin. Pretty much every communist system in the 20th century was based on these ideas, with individual leaders modifying them according to different national and historical circumstances.

This doesn’t mean I necessarily agree with Stalin and Mao on everything, but despite that- you are going to be associated with those figures and the controversy around them anyway.

Basically, I do generally agree that marxist ideas have value in understanding how the world works and how society develops over history. I also agree that capitalism is heading in such a bad direction that it is screwing alot of people who may eventually get so resentful they will overthrow capitalism in a communist revolution.

Of the options available, I would argue that the USSR is probably the only model of communism that worked and would therefore be the blueprint for any future communist society. I would obviously prefer a more humane and democratic version, but I’m increasingly sceptical on whether that is possible after many years researching the topic.

If anything is unclear, feel free to ask. :)
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I don't see how this would work . a UK centrist is miles apart from one in the USA a centris in the usa is the equivalent of our right wing. Our liberal centrist, is off the scale to the left in the USA.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
An "X" only forum would be one where the discussion was limited to those of the same opinion. How boring -- and uneducational -- would that be?
A "current weather only" forum would be scintillating in comparison.
 

Secret Chief

Degrow!
An "X" only forum would be one where the discussion was limited to those of the same opinion. How boring -- and uneducational -- would that be?
A "current weather only" forum would be scintillating in comparison.
Is that not the current set up for some fora?
 

JustGeorge

Member
Staff member
Premium Member
An "X" only forum would be one where the discussion was limited to those of the same opinion. How boring -- and uneducational -- would that be?
A "current weather only" forum would be scintillating in comparison.

I think it might be more of a safe space for folks of like mind to discuss or bounce ideas/thoughts off of each other.

Despite popular belief, not everyone enjoys an argument. Centrists have the disadvantage sometimes of being disliked by both the left and the right. I can respect the value of centrists having a place to discuss ideas without poo being flung at them, or getting misrepresented by one side or the other.

That being said, I'm not sure we really need more political focus right now.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Hypothetically, if the staff created a forum for people who self-described as "Centrists" and "Moderates" in their political views, would you use it? And do you think it would be a constructive step?

I know there could be enormous debate on the exact meaning of these terms and they will vary from country to country, but RF's policy generally been to allow people who simply self-describe themselves as "conservatives", "liberals". "socialists", "libertarians", etc to use those sub-forums respectively. So, for the sake of argument, assume that anyone who self-describes as centrist or moderate would be able to use such a forum in their own right without having to justify themselves based on how other people define the position.

Any thoughts or suggestions welcome.

I consider myself to be a moderate socialist environmentally friendly person. I suppose I am mostly politically left of Joe Biden, Amy Klobuchar, but mostly to the political right of Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Kamala Harris.

I'd like U.S. socialism to implemented by year 2024 as follows:

1. Universal health insurance affordably implemented at tax-payer expense with there being also insured cost sharing of 40 percent co-insurance to the insured for covered Medicare expenses including prescription drug expenses. The government paying 60 percent of all U.S. residents' Medicare approved health care would cost tax-payers approximately 2.2 trillion dollars in the fiscal year 2024. Upgraded coverage insuring 80 percent of the insured's Medicare approved expenses and prescription drug costs could be purchased at cost by the insured at an annual premium price of $2,000.

2. Universal health insurance in the U.S funded as follows: this being funded in large part by over half the revenues collected from personal income taxes (est. $1.05 trillion), in part by a ten percent value-added-tax less less monthly rebates of $180 to each U.S. resident age 18 or over, this would net approximately $550 billion of revenue in the year 2024; Universal health care also being funded in part by an increase in the corporate income tax rate from 21 percent to 28 percent resulting in corporations paying U.S. corporate income taxes of nearly 500 billion dollars in 2024,, and also U. being funded in small part by alcohol, cannabis and tobacco excise taxes generating ca. $80 billion of funding towards U.S. Universal Health insurance in year 2024.

3. Social security spending of $1.2 trillion in 2024 would be funded in large part by the status-quo system of payroll taxes, this would generate $1.1 trillion during 2024. This $100 billion annual shortfall of funding to social security by payroll taxes would be covered by the withdrawal of excess funds in the social security trust fund.

4. U.S. military spending of 950 billion dollars in 2024 could then be funded with nearly half the revenue from the following simplified income tax system, just a few income tax brackets beginning in year 2024, zero percent on the initial $20,000 of personal individual annual income, 18 percent on $20,001 to $60,000 of personal individual annual income, 29,8 percent on individual personal annual earnings in excess of $60,000. Capital gains taxed at same rate as ordinary income. No tax credits, save for a refundable $2,000 child tax credit as well as a $2,000 refundable tax credit for each adult American legal resident. In 2024, this would result in total personal federal income taxes amounting to an estimated two trillion dollars.

5.. The imposition of financial transaction taxes ( remittance taxes and stock/bond trade taxes) generating ca. $200 billion, the implementation of tariffs resulting in ca. $100 billion of revenue in 2024 and federal estate taxes generating an additional ca. $35 billion in revenue would mostly fund spending for the following federal agencies:: ( est. $63 billion ) spending on the Department of Agriculture, ( est. $46 billion) to the State Department, ( est. $42 billion ) towards Housing and Urban Development, ( est. $33 billion ), by the Department of Energy, ( est. $30 billion ) to the Department of Justice, ( est. $26 billion) for N.A.S.A., ( est. 24 billion ) into the Department of Treasury, (est. $23 billion ) towards the Department of Interior, ( est. $14 billion ) by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, ( est. $10 billion ) for the Department of Commerce, ( est. $10 billion ) by the Department of Labor, ( est. $9 billion ) for the Environmental Protection Agency, and ( est. $5 billion ) for the Food and Drug Administration.

6. The implementation of excise taxes on railways, fuel, airports and aviation collectively adding up to $160 billion, would fund the Department of Transportation and Homeland Security.

7. Approved federal spending in 2024 at an estimated $2.2 trillion for universal health care ( U.H.I. ) $1.2 trillion for Social Security, ( no change from status-quo on S.S. retirement benefits ), an estimated 950 billion dollars towards the military and veteran services or veteran benefits, $480 billion on debt interest payments, ( est. $63 billion ) spending on the Department of Agriculture, ( est. $46 billion) to the State Department, ( est. $42 billion ) towards Housing and Urban Development, ( est. $33 billion ), by the Department of Energy, ( est. $30 billion ) to the Department of Justice, ( est. $26 billion) for N.A.S.A., ( est. 24 billion ) into the Department of Treasury, (est. $23 billion ) towards the Department of Interior, ( est. $14 billion ) by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, ( est. $10 billion ) for the Department of Commerce, ( est. $10 billion ) by the Department of Labor, ( est. $9 billion ) for the Environmental Protection Agency, and ( est. $5 billion ) for the Food and Drug Administration. ( est. $50 billion) for the Department of Homeland Security, ( est. $110 billion) for the Department of Transportation; the above proposed federal spending resulting in total federal annual spending to be ca. $5.325 trillion..

8. The above approved fiscal year 2024 federal spending being at $5.325 trillion and $4.725 trillion of tax revenue resulting in a federal deficit of ca. $600 billion for Fiscal Year 2024.

As far as I know, I am the only person on RF who has proposed a specific federal budget plan for year 2024 consisting of $5.325 trillion in federal spending, funded by $4.725 trillion in federal taxes and $600 billion in federal deficit spending.

How would you like U.S. socialism to be implemented by year 2024? Would you consider my aforementioned federalized tax and spending wishes to be moderate, liberal, or conservative?
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
We already have moderate and extreme leftist forums. We have open Maoists and Stalinists on here and they are allowed their own area! The only right-wing forum we have is the Conservative DIR and maybe the Capitalist one, although you obviously don't have to be right-wing to be a capitalist but the left would like you to think so these days.
I don't think that "extreme" is in the title of the leftist forums here. Are you suggesting that all communists self identify as extremists? Should we have any forums titled "extreme" for the right as well? Should we even allow extreme views (which i assume to be extreme because they contain hate speech)?

Or are you using "extreme" to mean "far" left/right. I would prefer a forum be titled "far" right/left than using an ambiguous term like extreme which might attract people to express hate speech.
 
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