A "Challenge" for Muslim members of this forum

[Nietzsche]

While we're at it we can condemn the idea of Sharia law in the United States

Sure. I'll be sure to condemn Nuremberg Race Laws, Jim Crow, anti-Jewry and other such horrible legal practices and laws who have the exact same odds of being implemented in the United States.

Ain't nothing like a little mindless hysteria. Wanna protest fluoridation of our water supply too? We must defend our precious bodily fluids!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

While we're at it we can condemn the idea of Sharia law in the United States

What Sharia law? I'm more concerned about the oppressive, backwards, stupid, outdated, and unfair Christian laws that are in the United States, and the legions of Fundamentalists and their endorsed politicians who want to force us all to live in accordance to their own interpretation of Biblical law.
Should Sharia try to be implemented I'll fight it just as equally, but for now it's Biblical law that I have to worry about.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

By now you have no doubt heard about the horrific attacks against members of America's LGBT community committed by one of your own on American soil.

My challenge to you is:

Will you condemn these attacks as being backwards and barbaric, in a genuine manner of reconciliation, WITHOUT trying to deflect the blame from Islam? In other words, can you admit that there are verses in the Quran that can be used to justify homophobic terrorism?

Secondly, will you condemn those verses?

I condemn these attacks without reservation.

Which verses?

 

[Acim]

I condemn these attacks without reservation.

Which verses?

Liking this post isn't enough, for me. I'm very curious what these verses are.

I don't see verses in the bible that would actually lead to homophobic terrorism, and without knowing a whole lot about the Quran, I'm thinking they aren't leading to that. Might be interpreted as anti-homosexual, but leading to / advocating for terrorism? I find that very hard to believe.

 

[Serenity Now]

The Catholics should have to apologize for that as a community as well.

The Church has apologized multiple times, the actions have been condemned by all Catholics and we will all work until the end of time to make sure these atrocities stop.

The Catholic Church has been slow to address all the issues and have dealt with many false accusations as well but major progress is being made. Many experts in the field outside of the a Church have commended the past work and continued work to put polices and procedures in place to protect all people.

The Church and Catholics are accountable for what happened and we will continue to be.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Liking this post isn't enough, for me. I'm very curious what these verses are.

I don't see verses in the bible that would actually lead to homophobic terrorism, and without knowing a whole lot about the Quran, I'm thinking they aren't leading to that. Might be interpreted as anti-homosexual, but leading to / advocating for terrorism? I find that very hard to believe.

Leviticus 20:13. Not only does it say homosexuals shall be put to death, it so boldly states that their blood is on their hands.

 

[Acim]

Leviticus 20:13. Not only does it say homosexuals shall be put to death, it so boldly states that their blood is on their hands.

I stand corrected. I should've known OT did some nonsense like that, especially since I've read that passage around 30 times now. Perhaps I could've stipulated by saying "I don't see verses in Gospel that lead to homophobic terrorism..."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I stand corrected. I should've known OT did some nonsense like that, especially since I've read that passage around 30 times now. Perhaps I could've stipulated by saying "I don't see verses in Gospel that lead to homophobic terrorism..."

Though not comanding violence, Romans 1:27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Timothy 1:9-10 mention homosexuality as a bad and shameful thing, something that will prevent people from "inheriting the kingdom."

 

[Acim]

Though not comanding violence, Romans 1:27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Timothy 1:9-10 mention homosexuality as a bad and shameful thing, something that will prevent people from "inheriting the kingdom."

When I stipulated with Gospels, I meant Gospels.

I'm aware of Paul's biases against homosexuality and how they don't lead to homophobic terrorism but speak of it is a bad / shameful way.

 

[Sunstone]

...but I never saw anyone demand that Christians condemn the actions of Christian lunatics or Atheist nut jobs.

What horrifying actions of "atheist nut jobs" did you have in mind? Rudely reading aloud from "God is Not Great" to their families at supper time?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

the real verse that speaks to this event is "let he who has sinned cast the first stone". Jesus clearly commands sinners not to play judge and jury in the lives other sinners. That means that we can condemn the sin and love the sinner. The shooter obviously never heard this teaching or chose to ignore it

 

[Shadow Wolf]

the real verse that speaks to this event is "let he who has sinned cast the first stone". Jesus clearly commands sinners not to play judge and jury in the lives other sinners. That means that we can condemn the sin and love the sinner. The shooter obviously never heard this teaching or chose to ignore it

That is a pretty good point, considering Muslims are instructed to follow the teachings of Jesus, as according to them he is a prophet of God and just as deserving and worthy of respect and following as Moses.

 

[Glaurung]

That is a pretty good point, considering Muslims are instructed to follow the teachings of Jesus, as according to them he is a prophet of God and just as deserving and worthy of respect and following as Moses.

Well, the teachings of Jesus as congruous with what Islam states are such. Corrupt Christian texts are to be ignored.

Apples and oranges and whatnot.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Well, the teachings of Jesus as congruous with what Islam states are such. Corrupt Christian texts are to be ignored.

Apples and oranges and whatnot.

I'd love to meet a Muslim that's actually read the Gospel

 

[psychoslice]

I have read both scriptures, and I must say that both were full of hate, mixed with confusion, no wonder this is what rubs of onto the members of these scriptures.

 

[Glaurung]

I'd love to meet a Muslim that's actually read the Gospel

Much of the justification for the quranic revelation is that the Jews and Christians have distorted the authentic teaching. Thus the Christian and Jewish Scriptures have dubious, if any validity. So saying that Muslims follow Jesus is a rather meaningless statement. Their Jesus is not necessarily the Christian Jesus.

And just to make matters worse, the verse you quote may not have even been in the original text. It's not found in the earliest manuscripts. But that's a question for the biblical scholars I suppose.

 

[firedragon]

the real verse that speaks to this event is "let he who has sinned cast the first stone". Jesus clearly commands sinners not to play judge and jury in the lives other sinners. That means that we can condemn the sin and love the sinner. The shooter obviously never heard this teaching or chose to ignore it

That story is unanimously agreed upon to be an intentional addition to the Bible.

It was never in older bibles.

 

[firedragon]

I'd love to meet a Muslim that's actually read the Gospel

What do you mean by "the gospel"? All four canonical gospels or do you have a different meaning?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

What do you mean by "the gospel"? All four canonical gospels or do you have a different meaning?

Yes those four

 

[-Peacemaker-]

What do you mean by "the gospel"? All four canonical gospels or do you have a different meaning?

I'm sorry I just find this fascinating. I'd bet almost everything that I have that you haven't made it through one complete Gospel and yet you claim to have studied the scholarship surrounding this passage