A Chance for Atheists to Recover

[Rolling_Stone]

I was unaware that this is the case. Where have you seen atheists "confounded by the evolution and diversification of religous [sic] concepts"?

Well put!

It's pretty common for some atheists to attempt to use cross-cultural concepts of God as evidence against a particular God, usually the Christian concept. "See? Those ideas were taken from another religion." But it's all part of the evolutionary process.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Amazing! I feel as though I'm trapped in some version of "The Twilight Zone".

Do not attempt to adjust your dial ...

 

[Rolling_Stone]

Oh, and in case you missed the point of my previous post, we in the West are so steeped in our secular way of life, a way of life in which religion is little more than a backdrop, the idea of religion actually meaning something more than life is incomprehensible to us.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's pretty common for some atheists to attempt to use cross-cultural concepts of God as evidence against a particular God, usually the Christian concept. "See? Those ideas were taken from another religion." But it's all part of the evolutionary process.

I don't think that argument is meant to speak against all aspects of the Christian concept of God, but more the "we received God's wisdom directly from the Hand of God to Moses on Mount Sinai, from prophets instructed directly by God, and from God Himself in human form, whose speeches were faithfully transcribed by His followers" aspect.

If you can draw a link between Old Testament beliefs and those of older cultures, or between the Gospel and, say, Egyptian religion (and I think you can), then this may speak against the historicity of Moses carrying the Ten Commandments down Mount Sinai, or of Jesus literally living, preaching, and dying on the cross. Whether that says anything about the truth of a person's religious beliefs depends entirely on whether those beliefs require these events to be literally, historically true. For some people, their beliefs don't require this; for others, they do.

Oh, and in case you missed the point of my previous post, we in the West are so steeped in our secular way of life, a way of life in which religion is little more than a backdrop, the idea of religion actually meaning something more than life is incomprehensible to us.

As would be secularism being identified for what it is, in that model.

I don't personally agree with any religion, but I can put myself in the shoes of believers to a certain extent and appreciate their position, I think.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

I don't think that argument is meant to speak against all aspects of the Christian concept of God, but more the "we received God's wisdom directly from the Hand of God to Moses on Mount Sinai, from prophets instructed directly by God, and from God Himself in human form, whose speeches were faithfully transcribed by His followers" aspect.

If you can draw a link between Old Testament beliefs and those of older cultures, or between the Gospel and, say, Egyptian religion (and I think you can), then this may speak against the historicity of Moses carrying the Ten Commandments down Mount Sinai, or of Jesus literally living, preaching, and dying on the cross. Whether that says anything about the truth of a person's religious beliefs depends entirely on whether those beliefs require these events to be literally, historically true. For some people, their beliefs don't require this; for others, they do.

Religion as I see it has dual origins: evolution and revelation. The former leads to its diversification and the latter leading to "quantum leaps," like monotheism (Abraham), Buddhism, Christianity (the movement from a wrathful monarch to a loving Father) and Islam--which was an incredibly powerful unifying force in the region at that time, but not as advanced as Christian message.

As would be secularism being identified for what it is, in that model.

True, but secularism that is emotionally activated; religion is superemotional, unifying the whole personality.

I don't personally agree with any religion, but I can put myself in the shoes of believers to a certain extent and appreciate their position, I think.

I think that all most religionists ask. Religion is a way of approaching the world and a way of living. You don't have to agree, but you shouldn't slam the door in their face, either. It's a matter of human decency and respect.

I read that an atheist put up a billboard saying yo other atheists, "You're not alone." Fine by me, but if the owner of the billboard was a believer and didn't want it to be used for that purpose, that's fine, too.

BTW, I hope I didn't shock you with the Atta thing.

 

[Ant0nio]

May I offer a solution to athiests, agnostics, and to all that have not seen God directly?

May I offer a method to prove once and for all that God exists? That heaven exists?

The problem with the religions of the world today is that they cannot provide a practical method to contact God, and have God contact you back.

Please do not misunderstand me though. Religions are very good, however....

We can be preach, discuss, debate, philosophize and argue till the end of the world about whether God exists or not. But if you haven't seen or heard God for yourself then what do you really know about God?

If you only have a firm belief in God, but no actual experience of God, then all you have is belief.

When I say experience I don't mean an overwhelming emotional feeling like you get in church, or a little voice in your mind telling you what's right and wrong. I mean literally seeing the light and hearing the sound of God.

I know a method that will allow you to see and hear God. I know a method to allow you to visit heaven, in this lifetime! All the while continiuing in your daily life.

All I want to know though, is are you willing to take me up on my offer?

Also, understand, I am not claiming to be Christ. I only know how to contact Christ. As well as any other saint of the past.

I am offering you the key to the door of heaven. It is free. There is no money involved. It is not harmful to any creature.

I speak the truth.

Well, the ball is in your court now.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

I leave no stone unturned.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

May I offer a solution to athiests, agnostics, and to all that have not seen God directly?

May I offer a method to prove once and for all that God exists? That heaven exists?

The problem with the religions of the world today is that they cannot provide a practical method to contact God, and have God contact you back.

Please do not misunderstand me though. Religions are very good, however....

We can be preach, discuss, debate, philosophize and argue till the end of the world about whether God exists or not. But if you haven't seen or heard God for yourself then what do you really know about God?

If you only have a firm belief in God, but no actual experience of God, then all you have is belief.

When I say experience I don't mean an overwhelming emotional feeling like you get in church, or a little voice in your mind telling you what's right and wrong. I mean literally seeing the light and hearing the sound of God.

I know a method that will allow you to see and hear God. I know a method to allow you to visit heaven, in this lifetime! All the while continiuing in your daily life.

All I want to know though, is are you willing to take me up on my offer?

Also, understand, I am not claiming to be Christ. I only know how to contact Christ. As well as any other saint of the past.

I am offering you the key to the door of heaven. It is free. There is no money involved. It is not harmful to any creature.

I speak the truth.

Well, the ball is in your court now.

Sure - as long as it doesn't involve self mutilation, or sacrificing ones offspring, I'm game.

Give it to me.

 

[Storm]

I've heard this spiel before.Betcha a dollar it involves praying.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

I've heard this spiel before.Betcha a dollar it involves praying.

Well, Ant0nio seems to believe that he can show me God (or the sound of God). I'll listen to his offer.

If I see God, or have a conversation with Him, I'll let you know.

If I fail to see or hear God, I'm going to let Ant0nio know.

 

[Ant0nio]

Sure - as long as it doesn't involve self mutilation, or sacrificing ones offspring, I'm game.

Give it to me.

Lol, forgive me for mentioning that the method doesn't involve harming oneself or any creature. It is completely safe.

Gotta give another lol for that quote.

Anyways it's meditation. But a specific kind. If you are truly interested, then leave me a private message and we can set up your initiation.

The initiation isn't some esoteric ritual either, it is where you are taught the meditation, and get a chance to practice it in a group setting.

Again, send me a private message if you are truly interested.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

I've heard this spiel before.Betcha a dollar it involves praying.

Or "gimme."

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Lol, forgive me for mentioning that the method doesn't involve harming oneself or any creature. It is completely safe.

Gotta give another lol for that quote.

Anyways it's meditation. But a specific kind. If you are truly interested, then leave me a private message and we can set up your initiation.

The initiation isn't some esoteric ritual either, it is where you are taught the meditation, and get a chance to practice it in a group setting.

Again, send me a private message if you are truly interested.

So, all of my prior efforts to find God, through prayer, meditiation, and learning were ineffective because of what?

What was I doing wrong? I would rather that we discuss this here, so that others can gain the knowledge of God along with me.

 

[Ant0nio]

So, all of my prior efforts to find God, through prayer, meditiation, and learning were ineffective because of what?

What was I doing wrong? I would rather that we discuss this here, so that others can gain the knowledge of God along with me.

I'd be delighted to discuss it. But before I explain, I'd like to point out that discussion is no substitute for practical experience.

The reason all of your prior efforts were ineffective is because you did not have a spiritual master to guide you on the path towards God. If a person cannot provide you with a simple, practical means of communicating with God and reaching heaven in this lifetime before your death, then that person is not a master.

Also, the master has to be alive. That's right, you need a living spiritual master who can transmit the god power to you for you to regain your line of communication with heaven.

The reason religions today do not offer this is because they are dependent upon past masters, such as Bhudda or Jesus, Prophet Muhammed or Lord Krishna.

Please don't misunderstand, there is nothing wrong with the religions of the world today. They are very good, it's just that they are missing this key component that turns the belief of God, into the knowledge of God.

On that note, there have been, will be, are, and will continue to be spiritual masters of the highest kind alive on earth, as long as earth is in existence.

This includes, before, during, and after Jesus was alive. Jesus himself was a great master. His influence has been far reaching, but his true message has been altered and distorted by the church.

In order to truly be "born again", one must receive initiation from a true living spiritual master.

Just like you wouldn't turn to a president of the past to help you solve a problem of today, why would you turn to a past master, who's soul has moved on from this plane, for your salvation of today?

It only makes sense. As a matter of fact, if you are sincere and diligent in your practice of the method of meditation I am referring to, you may even communicate with Jesus or Buddha if you love them truly.

 

[fantome profane]

I'd be delighted to discuss it. But before I explain, I'd like to point out that discussion is no substitute for practical experience.

The reason all of your prior efforts were ineffective is because you did not have a spiritual master to guide you on the path towards God. If a person cannot provide you with a simple, practical means of communicating with God and reaching heaven in this lifetime before your death, then that person is not a master.

Also, the master has to be alive. That's right, you need a living spiritual master who can transmit the god power to you for you to regain your line of communication with heaven.

The reason religions today do not offer this is because they are dependent upon past masters, such as Bhudda or Jesus, Prophet Muhammed or Lord Krishna.

Please don't misunderstand, there is nothing wrong with the religions of the world today. They are very good, it's just that they are missing this key component that turns the belief of God, into the knowledge of God.

On that note, there have been, will be, are, and will continue to be spiritual masters of the highest kind alive on earth, as long as earth is in existence.

This includes, before, during, and after Jesus was alive. Jesus himself was a great master. His influence has been far reaching, but his true message has been altered and distorted by the church.

In order to truly be "born again", one must receive initiation from a true living spiritual master.

Just like you wouldn't turn to a president of the past to help you solve a problem of today, why would you turn to a past master, who's soul has moved on from this plane, for your salvation of today?

It only makes sense. As a matter of fact, if you are sincere and diligent in your practice of the method of meditation I am referring to, you may even communicate with Jesus or Buddha if you love them truly.

What are you waiting for? Why don’t you just give us the instructions for this meditation of yours? What are the steps? How do we begin?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

...Also, the master has to be alive....

Now, normally, I'd take this opportunity to ask you why I should believe that another mortal human being can teach me how to talk with a supernatural being, but at this point, I'm willing to let it pass.

Please help Fantome' and I. We would both like to know how to reach this goal.

 

[Magic Man]

Now, normally, I'd take this opportunity to ask you why I should believe that another mortal human being can teach me how to talk with a supernatural being, but at this point, I'm willing to let it pass.

Please help Fantome' and I. We would both like to know how to reach this goal.

Hey! Don't forget about me. I want to talk to God too!

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Hey! Don't forget about me. I want to talk to God too!

To quote from the movie Blazing Saddles - "Aw, prairie **** - Everybody".

 

[Storm]

I'd be delighted to discuss it. But before I explain, I'd like to point out that discussion is no substitute for practical experience.

The reason all of your prior efforts were ineffective is because you did not have a spiritual master to guide you on the path towards God. If a person cannot provide you with a simple, practical means of communicating with God and reaching heaven in this lifetime before your death, then that person is not a master.

Also, the master has to be alive. That's right, you need a living spiritual master who can transmit the god power to you for you to regain your line of communication with heaven.

The reason religions today do not offer this is because they are dependent upon past masters, such as Bhudda or Jesus, Prophet Muhammed or Lord Krishna.

Please don't misunderstand, there is nothing wrong with the religions of the world today. They are very good, it's just that they are missing this key component that turns the belief of God, into the knowledge of God.

On that note, there have been, will be, are, and will continue to be spiritual masters of the highest kind alive on earth, as long as earth is in existence.

This includes, before, during, and after Jesus was alive. Jesus himself was a great master. His influence has been far reaching, but his true message has been altered and distorted by the church.

In order to truly be "born again", one must receive initiation from a true living spiritual master.

Just like you wouldn't turn to a president of the past to help you solve a problem of today, why would you turn to a past master, who's soul has moved on from this plane, for your salvation of today?

It only makes sense. As a matter of fact, if you are sincere and diligent in your practice of the method of meditation I am referring to, you may even communicate with Jesus or Buddha if you love them truly.

And you're a master, huh?

 

[Storm]

Just for the record, while I'm not a "master," anyone who wants to learn the technique that worked for me is welcome to send a PM to me, too. All instruction, no pretense.

Learning to self-induce trance states is a difficult skill, in part because NO technique is a proper fit for everybody, taught by a "master" or no. As a mystic, I resent Ant0nio's huris in this matter.