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A Chance for Atheists to Recover

Ant0nio

Member
Please forgive me if I seem proud, or arrogant. I assure you that in no way shape or form do I intend to come off as such. I actually try to come to you very humbly and only wish that you would be open to my offer. I only wish to tell you the truth.

Also don't mistake, this is not a method that will help you to self induce trance states. This is a method to literally come in contact with the Light and sound of God. And it does work for everyone, regardless of your background.

I myself am not a master, but my master still lives. The only reason I can't simply give you instructions about this method is because I am not myself the master. Only the master can provide you with this. I do know how to do the method, but without the master, even with me giving you the instructions of the meditation, it would not have the same effect.


To let you know more about the method, as to take away the element of pretense:

It is called the Quan Yin Method. It is the meditation on the Inner light and Inner Sound.

The inner Light, the Light of God, is the same Light referred to in the word "enlightenment".

The inner Sound, is the Word referred in Bible:" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

It is through the inner Light and Sound that we come to know God...

My master is Master Ching Hai. Master Ching Hai initiates sincere people longing to know the Truth, into the Quan Yin Method. The Chinese characters "Quan Yin" mean contemplation of the Sound Vibration. The Method includes meditation on both the inner Light and the inner Sound. These inner experiences have been repeatedly described in the spiritual literature of all the world's religions since ancient times.

For example, the Christian Bible states, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1) This Word is the inner Sound. It has also been called the Logos, Shabd, Tao, Soundstream, Naam, or the Celestial Music. Master Ching Hai says, It vibrates within all life and sustains the whole universe. This inner melody can heal all wounds, fulfill all desires, and quench all worldly thirst. It is all powerful and all Love. It is because we are made of this Sound, that contact with it brings peace and contentment to our hearts. After listening to this Sound, our whole being changes, our entire outlook on life is greatly altered for the better.

The inner Light, the Light of God, is the same Light referred to in the word "enlightenment". Its intensity can range from a subtle glow to the brilliance of many millions of suns. It is through the inner Light and Sound that we come to know God.

The initiation into the Quan Yin Method is not an esoteric ritual or a ceremony for entering a new religion. During the initiation, specific instruction in meditation on the inner Light and inner Sound is given, and Master Ching Hai provides the "Spiritual Transmission". This first taste of Divine Presence is given in silence. Master Ching Hai need not be physically present in order to open this "door" for you. The Transmission is an essential part of the Method. The technique themselves will bring little benefit without the Grace of the Master.

(The master was not present during my initiation.)

Because you may hear the inner Sound and see the inner Light immediately upon initiation, this event is sometimes referred to as "sudden" or "immediate enlightenment."

Master Ching Hai accepts people from all backgrounds and religious affiliations for initiation. You do not have to change your present religion or system of beliefs. You will not be asked to join any organization, or participate in any way that does not suit your current life-style.

However, you will be asked to become a vegetarian. A lifetime commitment to the vegetarian diet is a necessary prerequisite for receiving initiation. (so as to not harm any other creatures)

The initiation is offered free of charge.

Daily practice of the Quan Yin Method of meditation, and the keeping of the Five Precepts are your only requirements after initiation. The Precepts are guidelines that help you to neither harm yourself nor any other living being.

The Five Precepts:
  1. Refrain from taking the life of sentient beings. This precept requires strict adherence to a vegan or lacto-vegetarian diet. No meat, fish, poultry or eggs (fertilized or nonfertilized).
  2. Refrain from speaking what is not true.
  3. Refrain from taking what is not yours.
  4. Refrain from sexual misconduct.
  5. Refrain from using intoxicants. This includes avoiding all poisons of any kind, such as alcohol, drugs, tobacco, gambling, pornography, and excessively violent films or literature.

These practices will deepen and strengthen your initial enlightenment experience, and allow you to eventually attain the highest levels of Awakening or Buddhahood for yourself. Without daily practice, you will almost certainly forget your enlightenment and return to a normal level of consciousness.

Master Ching Hai's goal is to teach us to be self sufficient. Therefore, She teaches a method that can be practiced by everyone, by themselves, without props or paraphernalia of any kind. She is not looking for followers, worshippers, or disciples, or to establishing an organization with a dues paying membership. She will not accept money, prostrations, or gifts from you, so you do not need to offer these to Her.

She will accept your sincerity in daily life and meditation practice to progress yourself towards sainthood.


Again. If you are interested in this method, please send me a private message, or email me at [email protected], so that we can make arrangements so that you may learn the meditation.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask.

And storm, after reading your beliefs, my master would be akin to what you call an avatar/elder incarnate.
 

camanintx

Well-Known Member
However, you will be asked to become a vegetarian. A lifetime commitment to the vegetarian diet is a necessary prerequisite for receiving initiation. (so as to not harm any other creatures)

If God wanted us to be vegetarian as a prerequisite to communicating with it, then why did it make us carnivores?
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
If God wanted us to be vegetarian as a prerequisite to communicating with it, then why did it make us carnivores?
Besides, making me a vegetarian on earth would be as I went to hell allready. I still have a lot of years before I need to go there :D

Would hell have no meat btw :eek:
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask.

And storm, after reading your beliefs, my master would be akin to what you call an avatar/elder incarnate.
I think there's much validity to your method, but your promise that people will meet and know "Jesus" isn't going to be fulfilled as to the "Jesus" for which most self-identified "Christians" would be looking. And, no, this method does not generally require either the presence of a "living master" or a vegetarian diet, though if you think it does, then it does for you. :)
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
The Five Precepts:
  1. Refrain from taking the life of sentient beings. This precept requires strict adherence to a vegan or lacto-vegetarian diet. No meat, fish, poultry or eggs (fertilized or nonfertilized).
  2. Refrain from speaking what is not true.
  3. Refrain from taking what is not yours.
  4. Refrain from sexual misconduct.
  5. Refrain from using intoxicants. This includes avoiding all poisons of any kind, such as alcohol, drugs, tobacco, gambling, pornography, and excessively violent films or literature.
1. How to know when animals are sentient ?
2. Like, you know everything on the internet can be false, so you can't speak about internet's information
3. What if you borrow it :D
4. Good rule..
5. This one was my favourite and reason to actually post. How about medicins?
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
[/list]1. How to know when animals are sentient ?
All animals are sentient. You're getting it confused with sapient.

From the Wiki:
The word sentient is often confused with the word sapient, which can connote knowledge, consciousness, or apperception. The root of the confusion is that the word conscious has a number of different usages in the English language. The two words can be distinguished by looking at their Latin roots: sentire, "to feel"; and sapere, "to know".
The question is whether he was making the same mistake.
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
All animals are sentient. You're getting it confused with sapient.


From the Wiki:
The word sentient is often confused with the word sapient, which can connote knowledge, consciousness, or apperception. The root of the confusion is that the word conscious has a number of different usages in the English language. The two words can be distinguished by looking at their Latin roots: sentire, "to feel"; and sapere, "to know".​
The question is whether he was making the same mistake.
LOL, I actually posed the question for that reason..
 

Ant0nio

Member
If God wanted us to be vegetarian as a prerequisite to communicating with it, then why did it make us carnivores?

We are not carnivores, but omnivores. If a human being tries to live as a carnivore, he will not survive for very long. Look at the atkins diet. It is self destructive.

However, humans can live long healthy lives as herbivores/vegetarians.

There are many reasons for having the prerequisite of being a vegetarian for learning the method of meditation, but the most important comes from the First Precept, which tells us to refrain from taking the life of sentient beings, or "Thou shalt not kill."

Not killing or otherwise harming other living creatures is of obvious benefit for them (the animals). Less obvious is the fact that refraining from harming others is equally advantageous for ourselves. Why? Because of the law of karma. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." When you kill, or cause others to kill for you, in order to satisfy your desire for meat, you incur a karmic debt, and this debt must eventually be repaid.

So, in a very real sense, the keeping of a vegetarian diet is a gift which we give to ourselves. We feel better, the quality of our lives improves as the heaviness of our karmic indebtedness diminishes, and we are offered entrance into new subtle and heavenly realms of inner experience. It is well worth the small price you have to pay!

The spiritual arguments against eating meat are convincing for some people, but there are other compelling reasons for being a vegetarian. All of them are rooted in common sense. They have to do with issues of personal health and nutrition, ecology and the environment, ethics and animal suffering, and world hunger.
 

Ant0nio

Member
Besides, making me a vegetarian on earth would be as I went to hell allready. I still have a lot of years before I need to go there :D

Would hell have no meat btw :eek:


Being vegetarian is more like heaven than hell, and even if there would be meat in hell, there would be no enjoying it :(
 

Ant0nio

Member
doppelgänger;1182259 said:
I think there's much validity to your method, but your promise that people will meet and know "Jesus" isn't going to be fulfilled as to the "Jesus" for which most self-identified "Christians" would be looking. And, no, this method does not generally require either the presence of a "living master" or a vegetarian diet, though if you think it does, then it does for you. :)


It is not my method, it is my master's method. If you practice diligently, you really will be able to meet and know Jesus. The master has to be living for you to recieve initiation to learn the method, but the master does not have to be present during your initation. The vegetarian diet is a requirement however. This isn't my rule, lol, it is a requirement from my master. It is not what I think, it is what she requires to teach you her method.
 

Ant0nio

Member
[/LIST]1. How to know when animals are sentient ?
2. Like, you know everything on the internet can be false, so you can't speak about internet's information
3. What if you borrow it :D
4. Good rule..
5. This one was my favourite and reason to actually post. How about medicins?

1. Your best bet is to not eat meat or eggs. If it breathes oxygen, I wouldn't eat it. Although sponges have no brains, I still wouldn't eat it. It is still an animal.
2. Don't lie :)
3. Only if you ask first. :D
4. I agree.
5. As long as the medicines have not come from animals, and your doctor prescribes them, and you feel comfortable taking them it is ok. But if you meditate and eat a vegetarian diet, you will find many illnesses will simply leave you.

Also be sure to use the medicines correctly, and not in a recreational way. It depends on the situation, but this precept is mainly so that you do not abuse intoxicants, as it hinders your meditation.
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
1. Your best bet is to not eat meat or eggs. If it breathes oxygen, I wouldn't eat it. Although sponges have no brains, I still wouldn't eat it. It is still an animal.
2. Don't lie :)
3. Only if you ask first. :D
4. I agree.
5. As long as the medicines have not come from animals, and your doctor prescribes them, and you feel comfortable taking them it is ok. But if you meditate and eat a vegetarian diet, you will find many illnesses will simply leave you.

Also be sure to use the medicines correctly, and not in a recreational way. It depends on the situation, but this precept is mainly so that you do not abuse intoxicants, as it hinders your meditation.

1. Don't worry, the animals I eat don't breath either anymore..
2. Withholding information can also be seen as lying. I think sometimes it's needed to withold information.
3. And if I ask really really softly?
4. Done.
5. Here in the Netherlands it is possible to get a prescription to get marihuana. Those are not from animals, comes from "god's garden" mother nature, being vegetarian and you'll get very comfortable taking them. According to you, this is all ok.
But what if you play doctor yourself and the same results with the same??
 

Ant0nio

Member
Ant0nio -

Don't take this wrong, but, to be honest with you - I really don't want to have a Master.

When I say master, it's not like I'm her slave. She's more of a teacher, and I am her student. She doesn't rule over me with an iron hand, I've never even seen her in person! But I do know that her method is real, and her method does work. It is just a way for you to prove for yourself that God is real. It's just that for her to initate you is a requirement of learning this method.

Really the title of master was given to her by initiates to show respect and admiration. I have never even seen or heard when she has out and out called herself master, in my opinion she is extremely humble.

The precepts are a requirement so that your spirit can be elevated. These precepts are like the standard of heaven. For heaven to be opened to you, you have to reach the standard. That is all.

I call her my master because I am happy to, she opened the road to the truth, so of course I respect her. Please believe, I looked into her, and many other so called masters, and researched long and hard before I made the decision to be initiated.

If you do not want to have a master, I fully respect your decision, but it would be easier to prove that God exists, by having her as one, and practicing her method of spiritual cultivation.

The master was asked a question once:

Spoken by Supreme Master Ching Hai
Seattle, WA, U.S.A., April 7, 1993
(Originally in English)

Q: What makes You the equal of other great Masters?

M: The same thing that makes you equal with other great masters makes me equal. All of us are equal. You are as great as Jesus and Buddha - if you want to be, if you know where your greatness is. I know; that's what makes me great. If you don't know, okay it's fine. If you want to know, you will be as great as any.

We are all equal, but because a master has already made the connection with the divine light, she is able to light the torch within you and that is why it is necessary to have her.

Even still, you could go solo on your journey towards the truth, but it is very dangerous, and a very long journey. Another thing is that you could make it to a certain level, but you could not get past that level on your own. You would have to have a master guide past that level to the level of the divine.

Having a master would take away those dangers invloved in going it alone, as well as shortening your path immensely. You could yourself become a master in this lifetime.

But as I said before, if you do not want a master, then I respect your decision.
 
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