A Colt Can't Fire Itself

[Audie]

I think it is obvious that colt did not boot themselves.

Exactly.

Its about " bullets" capable of firing themselves.
Ive heard about that

 

[PureX]

Pulling the hammer back will cause it to remain back
unless the trigger is pulled. It's impossible to be any
other way with a single action pistol in good condition.

No ****, Sherlock!
It is indeed a dangerous weapon.
He didn't treat it as such.

That's the problem.
He never should've been around any firearms of any kind.
He's simply not qualified.
If actors want to handle weapons, they should be adequately trained.
These things are dangerous.

Ir's a prop gun used in a western movie. Maybe it was rigged for the hammer not to catch. Maybe he didn't pull it back far enough to catch. Maybe his finger was already depressing the trigger so it couldn't catch. None of this matters because he was an actor using a prop gun exactly as he was being instructed.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ir's a prop gun used in a western movie. Maybe it was rigged for the hammer not to catch. Maybe he didn't pull it back far enough to catch. Maybe his finger was already depressing the trigger so it couldn't catch. None of this matters because he was an actor using a prop gun exactly as he was being instructed.

He was just following orders.
I find that excuse reprehensible.
Anyone handling a gun should know how to do so safely.
If not, don't touch it.
His carelessness killed someone.

 

[Audie]

Ir's a prop gun used in a western movie. Maybe it was rigged for the hammer not to catch. Maybe he didn't pull it back far enough to catch. Maybe his finger was already depressing the trigger so it couldn't catch. None of this matters because he was an actor using a prop gun exactly as he was being instructed.

Changing your story.

 

[Audie]

He was just following orders.
I find that excuse reprehensible.
Anyone handling a gun should know how to do so safely.
If not, don't touch it.
His carelessness killed someone.

As if it is established he was following orders

 

[PureX]

Changing your story.

I have no "story", and that you think I do is just plain weird.

Alec Baldwin has given a long public interview explaining exactly what happened.

 

[George-ananda]

The big questions have not yet been answered yet. The armorer and the armorer's father (a long professional armorer) are suggesting 'intentional sabotage'. And there were some very disgruntled and angry workers on the set who had just walked off.

 

[Revoltingest]

As if it is established he was following orders

I didn't want to challenge a claim that
sounded so...uh....Deutschlandish.

 

[PureX]

The big questions have not yet been answered yet. The armorer and the armorer's father (a long professional armorer) are suggesting 'intentional sabotage'. And there were some very disgruntled and angry workers on the set who had just walked off.

Also, there are NEVER any live rounds on a movie set. They don't use them to make movies. They use 'blanks', and 'dummy' bullets because they point guns at people routinely, and fire them. So all this BS about Baldwin acting irresponsibly is just stupid. He was acting the same as any actor acts when called to act with a gun.

 

[George-ananda]

Also, there are NEVER any live rounds on a movie set. They don't use them to make movies. They use 'blanks', and 'dummy' bullets because they point guns at people routinely, and fire them. So all this BS about Baldwin acting irresponsibly is just stupid. He was acting the same as any actor acts when called to act with a gun.

I agree. Actors use guns on sets and the safety is ensured by paid professionals. If the actor observes the procedures he's given then an accident like this is not his fault.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree. Actors use guns on sets and the safety is ensured by paid professionals. If the actor observes the procedures he's given then an accident like this is not his fault.

Legally, it's possibly not his fault. That could depend
upon his role in ensuring safety protocols, eg, hiring
that particular "armorer".
But it's his responsibility to handle any gun safely.
He did not. There'll be much blame to go around.

 

[Revoltingest]

Also, there are NEVER any live rounds on a movie set.

The set of "Rust" is a glaring counter-example.
One should never assume a gun is unloaded
without personal verification.

 

[George-ananda]

Legally, it's possibly not his fault. That could depend
upon his role in ensuring safety protocols, eg, hiring
that particular "armorer".
But it's his responsibility to handle any gun safely.
He did not. There'll be much blame to go around.

I got to disagree. It is just an actor's responsibility to follow the rules and procedures given him by the armorer professionals on set.

 

[Revoltingest]

I got to disagree. It is just an actor's responsibility to follow the rules and procedures given him by the armorer professionals on set.

How well did that work out for Souza & Hutchins?

 

[George-ananda]

How well did that work out for Souza & Hutchins?

It works just fine 99.999999% of the time. Like taking a plane trip; driving on a freeway, etcetera.

 

[Revoltingest]

It works just fine 99.999999% of the time. Like taking a plane trip; driving on a freeway, etcetera.

I favor more precautions, especially when they're
so easy to do, & the consequences so grave.
I wouldn't expect actors to get as involved in guns
as some of us here, but I think it's a reasonable
requirement to get at least few days training in safety
protocols, with a refresher course every movie.
If they can't find the time, then don't touch a gun.

 

[George-ananda]

I favor more precautions, especially when they're
so easy to do, & the consequences so grave.
I wouldn't expect actors to get as involved in guns
as some of us here, but I think it's a reasonable
requirement to get at least few days training in safety
protocols, with a refresher course every movie.
If they can't find the time, then don't touch a gun.

I think too if you make everything in life perfectly safe you will eventually stagnate and limit life and not be able to afford to do anything. In other words I would think the current rules are adequate and we don't need more. We accept the teeniest amount of risk all the time when we step on planes, drive on the freeway, make a movie, etcetera.

 

[Audie]

I have no "story", and that you think I do is just plain weird.

Alec Baldwin has given a long public interview explaining exactly what happened.

" He didnt pull the trigger "

" Maybe he depressed the trigger"

No change of story there?

"He did exactly as he was told."

As if you know that.
" facts not in evidence" and all that rot.

Thinking Bldwin did anything other than a cya job in the interview is weird. As is magically knowing what he was told and what he did.

" No way he could possibly know " is so obviously false.

Not even knowing the meaning of terminology
used ( see " bullet" for one) is a clear sign of,
very literally, not knowing what you are talking abput

 

[PureX]

The set of "Rust" is a glaring counter-example.
One should never assume a gun is unloaded
without personal verification.

There was no way for him to personally verify that the gun wasn't loaded because it was loaded with dummy bullets. That's what the scene was being set up for: for the camera to see the gun being pointed at it with the (dummy) bullets in the chambers. The cinematographer was specifically setting up that shot, with the "loaded" gun pointing at her (the camera) so the camera would see the bullets in the cylinder and Baldwin's thumb pulling back the hammer. That's why she was telling Baldwin exactly which way to point the gun, and to pull the hammer back. He was doing exactly as she instructed, because that's what actors do. It's why they are there and why they are being paid.

Also, Baldwin was one of the executive producers of the movie, but he did not do any of the hiring. Nor did he do any of the prop, set, or personnel management.

 

[Audie]

Legally, it's possibly not his fault. That could depend
upon his role in ensuring safety protocols, eg, hiring
that particular "armorer".
But it's his responsibility to handle any gun safely.
He did not. There'll be much blame to go around.

Watch him never take any responsibility.