Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
jw doctrine on Jesus i like very much. Jesus is not God, i agree with you on that
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a created being AND divine???
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There is so much that I was taught growing up in the church system that I just could not comprehend....one was the trinity, and when I studied the Bible for myself, I saw clearly that the trinity was not taught in the Bible at all, but that there were trinities of gods throughout paganism. This is no surprise when you consider how much else there is that crept in from pagan religions.....adopted like orphans needing a home.
The other thing that I found very difficult to accept was that a God of love could torture “souls” in a fiery hell. How could that even be accepted by his worshippers as something Jesus would support when he was always seeking out sinners and helping them to repent? He represented his Father’s personality and it just didn’t fit God’s justice to punish people forever, for a short lifetime of sin. Especially was this true since we are born sinful through no fault on our part. Jesus taught us how to fight our sinful inclinations and to conquer them. He never wrote people off but gave everyone an opportunity to bring their lives into harmony with his Father’s standards.
Are there things that disturb you about your chosen religious viewpoint? Did you choose it or were you raised in it?
Zaha Torte
Active Member
All of us are co-eternal with God.Can one be a created being BUT: also be divine in nature and share the status of "God" with God The Father???
Basically: Can God create an entity (such as Jesus Christ) who is God but who is also one of God’s creations???
I think this would be like God expanding himself or perhaps even reproducing asexually??? This would bring about a new meaning to “The Son of God”…
Sounds a bit polytheistic, I know…
I ask because I (currently) believe Jesus Christ was created (as opposed to always existed) BUT is divine in nature and a part of the Godhead.
I hesitate to use the word “trinity” as it comes with so much baggage but I don’t feel comfortable with “unitarian”
If he had always existed alongside God The Father then I think that would be polytheism, but I don’t think he did, I believe he was “begotten’ by God The Father (who always existed) - he is therefore not the equal of God The Father but a subservient being whose essence is divine and who was created by God The Father - but also a part of “God” which I think is the collective noun for divine beings (beings with a divine nature - of which I believe there are three)
To complicate things further: I also believe that he is both fully human and fully divine
Does all this make sense to people?
Can one be a created being but also be divine in nature and share the status of “God” with God The Father?
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I agree with you. Eternal hell with torture and fire is not from a loving God.
Yes, thats true. What you wrote "Especially was this true since we are born sinful through no fault on our part. Jesus taught us how to fight our sinful inclinations and to conquer them. He never wrote people off but gave everyone an opportunity to bring their lives into harmony with his Father’s standards". You are very wise Deeje
I choose it myself. I was raised christian but now I call myself God believer. I believe Christianity is from God but I do not agree with all the teachings.
MNoBody
Well-Known Member
Apparently there is Dirt
and then there is Sacred Dirt {Holy Ground}
A common figure of speech in sacred texts.
what made that dirt consecrated and Holy, so much so that people have to remove their footwear, for reasons of respect.
Was it only symbolic or was there more to it.
Man is also made of the same element.
Born into dirty iniquity, struggling to get "clean" [...from the dirt?]
[Just a thought that swam up while reading through the thread.
and then there is Sacred Dirt {Holy Ground}
A common figure of speech in sacred texts.
what made that dirt consecrated and Holy, so much so that people have to remove their footwear, for reasons of respect.
Was it only symbolic or was there more to it.
Man is also made of the same element.
Born into dirty iniquity
, struggling to get "clean" [...from the dirt?][Just a thought that swam up while reading through the thread.
That is good to hear.....that you can see that a “hell of eternal torment” is not God’s idea of justice. How could a loving God torture people forever for just a short lifetime of sin? In his laws given to Israel, the punishment was always in line with the crime. Capital offences merited the death penalty, and other crimes were often dealt with by compensating the victims. It was always fair. Penalties were clearly stated for specific crimes, so there was always deterrents.
God never gave humans the choice between “heaven and hell”.....he gave them the option of “life or death”.
Good behavior was rewarded with blessings and bad behavior was met with appropriate penalties. People could choose to obey or disobey knowing the outcome in advance.
In the Bible, everlasting life was contrasted with everlasting death. God has no need to torture people forever.....why would he?
You are very wise Deeje
My teacher is wise.....Jesus was the greatest teacher who ever lived. He teaches us the truth and tells us what it means to “do the will of the Father”. (Matthew 721-23) “Many” will try to justify themselves to the one they call their “Lord”...but he will reject them completely as those he has “NEVER” known.
This is why, I believe that we need to understand the difference between the “wheat and the weeds” of Jesus parable. (Matthew 13:24-30; 36-43) This parable explains why we have so many “fake” forms of Christianity in the world......the corruption came from the devil who sabotaged the true “wheat” crop with poisonous “weeds”.
It is believed that the “weed” Jesus spoke of was a plant called “bearded darnel”, which was common in the Middle East and a real pest to crop farmers because in its early growing stages, it looked just like wheat. (This is why they called it “wheat’s evil twin”) So there was no way to tell the difference until it grew to a certain stage, which by that time the root systems of both had become entangles, so it was not possible to pull out the weeds without also pulling out the wheat....so Jesus said to allow both to grow until the harvest time. So here we are approaching the “harvest” time now, where Jesus will send out his angels to gather up the “weeds” and destroy them. Only then would the “wheat” be gathered into God’s storehouse.
We can discern by their beliefs and practices which is which at this time, because they are nothing alike. The one thing you notice about all of Christendom’s denominations is their ‘similarity’......it is their acceptance of a core of basic beliefs that unites them. But in this time period, the wheat would hold none of those beliefs in common because these beliefs were never taught by Jesus at all. All were introduced by the weeds very early in Christianity’s history. Most people have no idea....
They have never questioned what they have been taught.