A Double Standard?

[PureX]

I disagree. As president the are supposed to set a good example.

Where is THAT written in the job description?

When they aren't setting good examples, they shouldn't be leaders.

Presidents aren't supposed to be our "leaders". They're supposed to be our representatives.

 

[Revoltingest]

What if he had said : yes I did have sex with that woman in the WH ?
Would he have undergone any consequence?

Probably less onerous consequences because
he'd have been guilty only of sin, not crimes.

If the answer yes, the perjury story is just a pretext. A scam.

The "scam" is in partisans prosecuting only the other side.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Would you say that a crime can be prosecuted if committed as a civilian, but not when by a President?"

I'm saying Trump didn't have certain/special protection when he paid the hush money. His troubles started before he was president and bled over into this presidency.

"Presidents are given too much immunity from prosecution IMO."

I agree. Its kind of like the diplomatic immunity BS.

Clinton was accused of many sex crimes before
becoming President. All were swept under the rug.

 

[PureX]

Would you say that no crimes relating
to sex should be prosecuted?
Would you apply this standard to both
Clinton & Trump?

All CRIMES should be prosecuted. But cheating on one's spouse is not a crime.

 

[Estro Felino]

Probably less onerous consequences because
he'd have been guilty only of sin, not crimes.


The "scam" is in partisans prosecuting only the other side.

I am slighlty amazed by the fact that even atheists in the US are so obsessed with Christian values like marital fidelity.
This means that the US is definitely Christian...
we are more like a pagan country.

 

[Heyo]

Do you remember Berlusconi? Berlusconi would have never lied...
I mean..he has always been proud of being fond of beautiful women...

He knew what Clinton and Trump didn't (at the time), that admitting to their extramarital affairs wouldn't have made a difference in the voters decisions.

 

[Revoltingest]

All CRIMES should be prosecuted. But cheating on one's spouse is not a crime.

Do you deny that Clinton lied to a grand jury, & suborned perjury?

 

[We Never Know]

Where is THAT written in the job description?

Presidents aren't supposed to be our "leaders". They're supposed to be our representatives.

The President leads the country and commands the military.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am slighlty amazed by the fact that even atheists in the US are so obsessed with Christian values like marital fidelity.
This means that the US is definitely Christian...
we are more like a pagan country.

We're addressing the crimes, not the sexual escapades.
No religion is necessary to consider crimes & prosecution.

 

[Wu Wei]

I recall that the left defended Bill Clinton's crimes, ie, lying
to a grand jury, suborning perjury, as justified because it
was only about sex, & that he was protecting his family.
It could be said that Trump paid hush money that was
only about sex, & that he was protecting his family (yes,
I actually heard that from the right).

Should both be prosecuted? Or if only Trump, why
give a pass to one Prez committing crimes, but not
to another?

Caution:
Before tempers flare, & feces fly...I'll state clearly
that this is not a defense of Trump. I want him
prosecuted for crimes, especially related to the
Jan 6 insurrection.
Further, if Trump is arrested, he should be hand
cuffed, just as the little people are. Politicians
shouldn't be above the justice system that afflicts
the masses.

Why you Clinton loving Trump minion...them be fighting words

 

[PureX]

Do you deny that Clinton lied to a grand jury, & suborned perjury?

Since the grand jury had no business asking the questions they were asking, Clinton had no obligation to answer them. He should have refused to answer, and made them prove their need to know. But that was a minor mistake in my opinion. So even though he was wrong to lie, it was inconsequential in that instance.

Unfortuntely, lying came a bit to naturally to ole Bill.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why you Clinton loving Trump minion...them be fighting words

This is the 1st time in recorded history
that those words have been strung
together in that order. Bravo!

 

[PureX]

The President leads the country and commands the military.

No, the president represents that nation's will, both within itself and to the world. That's his/her actual job. It's the job of the whole executive branch of government.

 

[Estro Felino]

We're addressing the crimes, not the sexual escapades.
No religion is necessary to consider crimes & prosecution.

Even if it happened in the WH, it's not a criminally relevant situation. Is it?

 

[Revoltingest]

Since the grand jury had no business asking the questions they were asking, Clinton had no obligation to answer them. He should have refused to answer, and made them prove their need to know. But that was a minor mistake in my opinion. So even though he was wrong to lie, it was inconsequential.

I see.
But there's a big problem with having a special
lesser legal standard just for Presidents.
Ordinary citizens must take the 5th. For if they
lie, they go to prison. Setting Presidents above
the law that applies to the rest of us has corrupting
consequences. This situation is what inspired Trump
to flout the law, & even attempt insurrection (IMO).

 

[Wu Wei]

This is the 1st time in recorded history
that those words have been strung
together in that order. Bravo!

just type a thing a left loving right reverent would say

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[Revoltingest]

just Just the type a thing a left loving right reverent would say.

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Fixed...minimally.

 

[LuisDantas]

Ordinary citizens are prosecuted for such things as lying
when testifying, & suborning perjury. Doing so because
it relates to sex is not exculpating. Yet Clinton wasn't
prosecuted.
Generally....
Republicans wanted Clinton convicted, but Democrats opposed it.
Democrats want Trump prosecuted, but Republicans oppose it.
You really cannot see a double standard?

I guess I am can't help but see the general situation without obsessing on specific details.

There is "wanting", and there is "doing". Also, there is "excusing everything left and right".

 

[Wu Wei]

Fixed...minimally.

Why you Liberal loving Conservative supporter

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess I am can't help but see the general situation without obsessing on specific details.

It's easy to deny a forest, if one focuses upon a single tree.