A huge problem with the JW religion:

[sojourner]

Gods usage of science and math are perfect. Mans usage of science and math is destroying life for humankind and everything. They have created cancer for all of us though. These are the men you listen to.

I was unaware that God “uses mathematics.” Why would God have any need for such a human construct?

 

[sojourner]

It doesn't take that much to realize their isn't a gazillion of a chance that trillions x trillions x trillions, etc, of atoms blew out in utter confusion during a big bang and a universe formed.
Intelligent design created this universe

....or, it was a happy accident.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You cant prove a single word of it false. You listen to blind guides to appease your false reasonings.

Please, now you are breaking the Ninth Commandment. Just because you can't prove part of it false that does not mean that others cannot. You are also accusing others of your own sins. That should have been the 11 Commandment:

"Thou shalt not accuse others of your own wrong doings."

If you think that this is true then you should be willing to discuss it. Making obviously false statements and running away is tacitly admitting that one is wrong.

 

[sojourner]

The bible says those things occurred.

The Bible is speaking metaphorically and mythically, not historically.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have the teachings of Jesus to back my faith.

That is pretty weak sauce especially when they are not Jesus's teachings. You go by your interpretations of Jesus's teachings. You should realize that there are others, some of them clearly superior to yours. You ignore part of his teachings because of your particular religion, which has all of the qualifications of a cult.

 

[sojourner]

I can share his views and Facts. All that know the real Jesus can. Because they listen to Jesus--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God. The true followers do just that. They have studied the OT-NT over and over. Jesus' real teachers make sure it is accomplished as well.

Who decides who’s “real” and who’s not? What’s the universal consensus on this? What are the standards for making that determination? Who adjudicates? Who sets those standards? If you can’t adequately answer those questions, then you have no basis for determining that your teachers are “real.”

 

[sojourner]

The rebellion in Eden caused cancer to be a reality now

Where is THAT written???

 

[sojourner]

God didn't lie. Trinity based translations have errors. The New world translation fixed them.

Scholastically untenable. And a load of hubris. No self-respecting bible scholar takes the NWT seriously. for a whole lotta reasons.

 

[sojourner]

The bible teaches. If one is a baptized member and they become unrepentant of sin, Not even to eat a meal with the such. Ones family members are not offering Eternal life in Paradise to anyone. Only God is. And you and all you have that is good is because of God.

God bases forgiveness within human relationships and support systems. “It is not good for the man to be alone...”

One of my “57 Reasons” why the NWT is less than acceptable.

 

[sojourner]

How come no trinitarian will believe Jesus

Why do you think that we don’t “believe Jesus?” I assert that we certainly do believe Jesus.

 

[sojourner]

God will show all they were truth.

We don’t need God to do that. We have minds to look at the evidence critically. These are mythic tales that were “borrowed” from earlier Mid Eastern religions.

 

[sojourner]

Since its clear Gods will in the OT was for stoning to death. One can be assured-disfellowshipping is legit.

It’s clear that religious leaders had that will — but not so clear that it was “God’s will.” Nonetheless, as I said earlier: if it’s abuse, it’s a pretty clear case that it’s not “God’s will.”

 

[sojourner]

I deal with truth. Like I posted to you, but you do not recognize truth. The Father requires one to serve him in spirit and truth. You would know this already if you listened to Jesus. John 4:22-24)

More circumvention. You haven’t shown that you “deal with truth.” What you’ve shown is that you deal in bias.

 

[sojourner]

The verses he quoted do not make the distinction he relies upon in order to apply it.
Thus he has to seek elsewhere in the Bible in hopes of others buying into his distinction.

Nothing wrong with that, though. It is clear that the texts say what he claims they say.

 

[sojourner]

Only myth to those ruled by darkness

Sorry. That’s the kind of literature it is, based upon scholarly consensus. It is myth because it conforms to the definitions of that term for certain types of literature. If you don’t recognize the scholasticism employed to make that determination, then I’d have to conclude that it’s you who are “ruled by darkness” in this case.

 

[sojourner]

Stating facts and judging are 2 different things. The written word of God has already judged.

Except that you’re not “stating facts”; you are judging.

 

[sojourner]

I state FACT. I do not judge. Learn the difference. Its FACT--99% claiming to be a follower of Jesus--DO NOT KNOW HIM OR WHAT HE ACTUALLY TEACHES

Oh? It’s “FACT?” Show me the uncontested statistics. Prove. It. If you can’t, then it’s not a “FACT,” it’s an opinion. You state opinion.

. I attended different trinity based religions--not ONE teach what Jesus teaches correctly

...in your opinion. In your understanding. Perhaps you misunderstood? Or perhaps you’re not well-versed enough in theology to form a valid opinion?

 

[sojourner]

Not by studying. By listening to the darkness of mortal thoughts.

That “darkness of mortal thoughts” gave you a bible you could read. And taught you how to read in the first place.

 

[sojourner]

The bible has been proven true.

In fact, just the opposite in some very interesting cases.

 

[sojourner]

Actually its called--Faith, not arrogance. Jesus is 100% clear--He has a God like we do( John 20:17, Rev 3:12--And its 100% fact--- God does not have a God. They should have believed Jesus over the darkness that came out of Rome in the 2nd century.

This represents a gross misunderstanding of the Trinity. And, if it is “darkness,” then it likely came out of Greece or Asia Minor in the 2nd century, not Rome.