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A majority of Muslims in England are against free speech, according to a poll

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
so Israel will choose who should be palastinian and who is not?!
it's clear now for everybody here that you just say that to runaway from any peace agreement,i showed you the link and here it is again Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
all Arabs including hamas accept this
you can accept it or not but don't claim that you want peace until you accept it

What is clear IMO is the difference between a follower of Islam and an Islamist
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
hahaha,so Israel refuse peace because we have this hadeeth,right?,say it clear please.

Its clear that they have woven it into their purpose

should we change our religion then or what,lol

Of course not,there should be no compulsion in religion,surely you know that ;)

it's something not connected to MB or Hamas or any other islamists,it's a hadeeth,that means all muslims believe it,but that don't mean we are commanded to fight Israel,it's prophesy,maybe Israel is the one who starts the fight.

I wonder if you have read the Charter

Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: “Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.”
From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers? “And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [himself] is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.” Sura 2 (the Cow), verse 120 There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game. As the hadith has it: “The people of Syria are Allah’s whip on this land; He takes revenge by their intermediary from whoever he wished among his worshipers. The Hypocrites among them are forbidden from vanquishing the true believers, and they will die in anxiety and sorrow.” (Told by Tabarani, who is traceable in ascending order of traditionaries to Muhammad, and by Ahmed whose chain of transmission is incomplete. But it is bound to be a true hadith, for both story tellers are reliable. Allah knows best.)

and don't forget that Israel's faith (from Nile to Forat)

I don't believe in either prophesy yours or theirs

anyway i thank you because you made it clear that Israel don't seek for peace,whatever the reason....

I'm sure the Israelis have enough of their own to speak for them
 

El_Majusi

Member
In France Muslims are far much more integrated and open-minded than in England. Why? Maybe because the French policy has always been to integrate them, even if it has been difficult. Because we mix our children.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
In France Muslims are far much more integrated and open-minded than in England. Why? Maybe because the French policy has always been to integrate them, even if it has been difficult. Because we mix our children.

I have been to France many times,can't say i've noticed much difference but integration is better than segregation IMO
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
I have been to France many times,can't say i've noticed much difference but integration is better than segregation IMO

Its usually the problem of the parent country when integration fails. Integration goes both ways but its apparent that one side appears more committed to integration than the other and its usually us who throw the minorities a bone only to have our hands bitten off :(
 

Bismillah

Submit
This is rich. It's exactly the same type of people who cry for white rights or discrimination against Christians here in the States. Boo hoo hoo.
 

Mohamed

Member
I don't believe in either prophesy yours or theirs

ok then why considering this hadeeth as it's command not to seek peace while they have the same
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Its usually the problem of the parent country when integration fails. Integration goes both ways but its apparent that one side appears more committed to integration than the other and its usually us who throw the minorities a bone only to have our hands bitten off :(

I think the problem is worse when a religion states that its followers should not make freinds with the unbelievers,really its a kind of aparteid
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
when it's about the palastinian case in particular,all muslims have the same ideas
maybe except Muabrak and Abbas lol

Obviously not all Muslims would agree with you

by the way the Hadeeth you have told,is it for islamists only or what?!!!

No but only Islamists use it this way,interwoven in the covenant,but don't worry i guess you'll see enough of it from the MB in Egypt
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
and how would MB reach and govern??!!,if by elections then Egyptian have the same view,right?

Right,for good or bad 32% of the Egyptian people in a recent poll are going to vote for the FJP,with the rebuilding of Egypt which should be the priority it is of little surprise that they are champing at the bit to get at Israel instead of seeing to their own affairs.


Maybe some UK Muslims don't have a problem with Israel British Muslims for Israel

Others do The Muslim News
 

Adramelek

Setian
Premium Member
I just viewed the video at the beginning of this thread. From my point of view radical Islamic fundamentalism including shariah law will never find a secure home in the United States like it has in Europe, for several obvious reasons. Here in the United States Islamic extreme violence will only be met with the same extreme violence by non-muslims - in other words, fighting fire with fire is only Just from a Satanic perspective, extreme measures will only be met with even greater extreme measures. This is simply the reality of things. Radical Muslims take themselves way too seriously, and let it be known that we Satanists and Left-Hand Pathers know no fear in our Hearts. We do not invite violence, however, we will strike back a hundred fold if provoked: "If one smites you on one cheek, smash him on the other!"

Ave Domini Inferi.
/Adramelek\
 
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