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A Mathematical Proof of God
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*** Jesus, Professor Einstein, & The Location of Evil ***
*** Introduction:
I started collecting Einstein quotes on God and Religion with the
idea of comparing those quotes with quotes of the historical Jesus as
found in the Gospel of Thomas. To compare their opinion, their
beliefs, on God. But turns out, Jesus hardly ever mentions the Living
Father. It's Kingdom of the father this and Kingdom of the Father
that, but the Living Father himself, hardly a peep. Guess now I'll
have to go back and collect Einstein statements on the Universe.
Other than a peculiar collection of Einstein sayings, a wasted effort.
But then I noticed something that justified the effort.
*** The Location of Evil:
Jesus, in Thomas, bever mentions any devil-god or hell, and only
mentions evil once. And in my long list of Einstein quotes, he never
mentions any devil-god or hell, and only mentions evil once. About a
hundred sayings each, and they both only mention evil once, and what
is it these great men say?
Jesus said: Grapes are not harvested from thorn-bushes, nor are figs
gathered from hawthorns, for they yield no fruit. A good man brings
forth good from his treasure; a bad man brings forth evil things from
his evil treasure, which is in his heart, and he says evil things,
for out of the abundance of his heart he brings forth evil things.
Thomas 45
The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to
denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man. Albert
Einstein
It's identical. Maybe Einstein got the idea from the historical
Jesus, as found in the Gospel of Thomas.. Maybe they came up with it
independently. But it's the only known time either one ever mentions
evil.
If the Kingdom of the Father is the true Universe, not
the apparant one, and the Living Father is how it works, that great
mystery that takes our breath away, that Great Unknown, if one
accepts that translation, the majority of the sayings in Thomas are
paralleled by something Einstein said.
*** Introduction:
I started collecting Einstein quotes on God and Religion with the
idea of comparing those quotes with quotes of the historical Jesus as
found in the Gospel of Thomas. To compare their opinion, their
beliefs, on God. But turns out, Jesus hardly ever mentions the Living
Father. It's Kingdom of the father this and Kingdom of the Father
that, but the Living Father himself, hardly a peep. Guess now I'll
have to go back and collect Einstein statements on the Universe.
Other than a peculiar collection of Einstein sayings, a wasted effort.
But then I noticed something that justified the effort.
*** The Location of Evil:
Jesus, in Thomas, bever mentions any devil-god or hell, and only
mentions evil once. And in my long list of Einstein quotes, he never
mentions any devil-god or hell, and only mentions evil once. About a
hundred sayings each, and they both only mention evil once, and what
is it these great men say?
Jesus said: Grapes are not harvested from thorn-bushes, nor are figs
gathered from hawthorns, for they yield no fruit. A good man brings
forth good from his treasure; a bad man brings forth evil things from
his evil treasure, which is in his heart, and he says evil things,
for out of the abundance of his heart he brings forth evil things.
Thomas 45
The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to
denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man. Albert
Einstein
It's identical. Maybe Einstein got the idea from the historical
Jesus, as found in the Gospel of Thomas.. Maybe they came up with it
independently. But it's the only known time either one ever mentions
evil.
If the Kingdom of the Father is the true Universe, not
the apparant one, and the Living Father is how it works, that great
mystery that takes our breath away, that Great Unknown, if one
accepts that translation, the majority of the sayings in Thomas are
paralleled by something Einstein said.
richardlowellt
Well-Known Member
I'll bet if you really really try, you can write longer posts, why not see just how long and meaningless you can make them. Do you really think anyone would take the time to read this drivel? You may post all the quotes you like Einstein did not believe in a personal god. There is no "father" who runs the universe, you math and you premise are terribly flawed.
themadhair
Well-Known Member
If Gödel were alive today hed probably smack you one for your debauchery of his theorem.
Here's a couple pictures of Kurt Godel, and his comical sidekick and part time servant on their daily walk around snobby Princeton University. Godel an outcast because he thought magical poison eminations were coming from his refrigerator and so on, plus his devoted wife was an ex-fan dancer and wasn't accepted in snobby Princeton. And of course, the comical sidekick universally felt by his fellow scientists to be an old fool for refusing to accept the Copenhagen Interpretation of the Quantum Theory.
So the two old outcasts, Godel and his comical sidekick, would take their daily walks around the campus, and the center of mass of the entire intellectual ability of snobby Princeton University could be found precisely centered between their footsteps ...
So the two old outcasts, Godel and his comical sidekick, would take their daily walks around the campus, and the center of mass of the entire intellectual ability of snobby Princeton University could be found precisely centered between their footsteps ...
"Einstein has often told me that in the late years of his life he continually sought Godel's company, in order to have discussions with him. Once he said to me that his own work no longer meant much, that he came to the institute merely "to have the privilege to walk home with Godel."
Oskar Morganstern, in a letter to the Austrian government
Oskar Morganstern, in a letter to the Austrian government
richardlowellt
Well-Known Member
And this means that there is a "father" that runs the universe? Because Einstein admired this guy, then this is support for your butchering of Godel's work? Butchering it to advance your foolish premise that some UNKNOWN entity runs the universe? I can't wait to here your premise on an afterlife, and wonder who's work you'll butcher to advance that.
No, but it helps point out that Godel was the greatest mathematician that ever lived. And that Einstein, who believed in the same God as the historical Jesus of Thomas, the God proved by Godel's Proof, thought so.
Too bad you can't be more specific than "butchering".
We all live forever in the Many Worlds of the Kingdom of the Father, and if you know it, you won't know death. It's a multiverse, it's what modern physics and the historical Jesus of Thoams is screaming at us. Know yourself.
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
this thread was a joke right?
No, it's a mathematical proof of the abstract God of Einstein, Jefferson, Spinoza, and the historical Jesus.
And usually requires catching people up on Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, the most important discovery in the history of mathematics. Something with deep philosophical implications.
And usually requires catching people up on Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, the most important discovery in the history of mathematics. Something with deep philosophical implications.
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richardlowellt
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Imaginary non-existent entities can not be proven with math or by any other means.
We all will know death, fairy tales can't change that fact. Provide evidence that it's a "Multiverse" do so in a way any intelligent human can understand.
I know myself very well and do so without invoking a mythological being.
That the Universe does work isn't imaginary or non-existant.
The current most popular interpretation of the Quantum Theory is the Everett Many Worlds. It's the same thing as the movie Back to the Future and half of all science fiction stories because it resolves the paradoxes of time travel.
The other great pillar of all science is General Relativity, and in a closed universe, with it's repeated Big Bangs and Big Crunches, the same Many Worlds as the Quantum Theory is produced.
About as combined as the two ever will be, but the current darling, the great white hope of unifying the two, Membrane Theory that has replaced the old darling, String Theory, also says there's repeated Big Bangs from the goofy membranes bounding together or some othe such nonsense. But it's the current darling, and also predicts the same Many Worlds.
This world will pass away and the one above it will pass away, but the living will not die.
The current most popular interpretation of the Quantum Theory is the Everett Many Worlds. It's the same thing as the movie Back to the Future and half of all science fiction stories because it resolves the paradoxes of time travel.
The other great pillar of all science is General Relativity, and in a closed universe, with it's repeated Big Bangs and Big Crunches, the same Many Worlds as the Quantum Theory is produced.
About as combined as the two ever will be, but the current darling, the great white hope of unifying the two, Membrane Theory that has replaced the old darling, String Theory, also says there's repeated Big Bangs from the goofy membranes bounding together or some othe such nonsense. But it's the current darling, and also predicts the same Many Worlds.
This world will pass away and the one above it will pass away, but the living will not die.
richardlowellt
Well-Known Member
Once again your logic is terribly flawed, right off the bat you assume that everything MUST have a cause, and that CAUSE must be a God.
Yes, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we will all die, and when we do it is final, absents of evidence always seems to be replaced with magic and fairy tales, I wonder why, could it be because the religious seem to think that because a God created them that we are the center of the universe, so important to the cosmos that we can never truly enter the state of non-existence?
themadhair
Well-Known Member
To be frank i don't think I could have been much clearer on why you are full of crap on this issue. If you don't understand the difference between the terms in their mathematical context, namely 'unprovable', 'incomplete' and 'unknown', or understand the logical contradiction to assigning properties and claims to something you claim to not only be unknown but unknowable, then maybe all you deserve is mockery? Because it is clear you are so far gone of the kooky trail and so lacking in the fundamentals of the mathematics involved here that trying to explain the material again would be a waste of time.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
No seriously, this was a joke right?
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
No you have faith that tells you if my statement was faith
Goedels work was "Über formal unterscheidare Sätze der principica mathematica".
So much for that.
Apart of that i see that indeed the thread is at an end.
