A Mathematical Proof of God

[nonbeliever_92]

how 'bout we just leave Kurt to his lonesome.

 

[freethinker44]

The world is full of unknowable things. Gotta start there. It's not just math/logic, proved by Godel in 1931, computers proved by Turing in 1936, and information itself in the 70's by Chaitin, it's GR and the Quantum Theory too. For instance, the Uncertainty Principle, it's impossible to know the momentum and position of anything exactly, it's eternally unknowable, no matter what.

No, the uncertainty principal doesn't mean they are unknowable, it says they are unmeasurable. Because the act of measuring interferes with the measurement itself. The issue with the uncertainty principal isn't that an object is eternally unknowable, it is that we haven't figured out a method to measure them without interfering with the measurement. So they are completely knowable but measuring it to gain the knowledge slightly warps it. For instance, we can get a completely accurate measurement of speed, but it will force an unatural measurement for its spin and vice versa.

 

[Kurt31416]

Perhaps you should work on reading comprehension before taking on some nonsense as a mathematical proof of god. :yes:

Originally Posted by Kurt31416
And you can definitely point out and know "traits" of Unknowable things. What is the exact numerical value of pi? Or e?
"(reification fallacy)"

Oh, I don't think any complex reading comprehension is required. Pi and e and that they are unknowable, are as real world as math gets.

 

[Kurt31416]

No, the uncertainty principal doesn't mean they are unknowable, it says they are unmeasurable.

Same thing. If you know the momentum precisely of anything, it's as likely to be on the other side of the galaxy as here.

Because the act of measuring interferes with the measurement itself. The issue with the uncertainty principal isn't that an object is eternally unknowable, it is that we haven't figured out a method to measure them without interfering with the measurement.

Totally false. Absolute nonsense. All of the Quantum Theory would collapse if you could do that.

 

[Kurt31416]

how 'bout we just leave Kurt to his lonesome.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[Kurt31416]

Learn what a transcendental number is. What you are doing here is akin to asking what is north of the north pole. It doesn’t make sense by the very nature of what a transcendental number and a numerical value is. It isn’t that the numerical value is unknowable – it is that it doesn’t have one (that’s what a transcendental number is).

Yeah, that's what a transendental number is, one who's exact value is eternally unknowable. Like Godel's Theorem is eternally unknowable, and the Halting Problem is eternally unknowable as is the most random/compressed/Occam's Razor/entropy way to say anything.

But asking certain things do show ignorance of the topic to be fair.

From someone that can't even do elementary algebra?

 

[freethinker44]

Totally false. Absolute nonsense. All of the Quantum Theory would collapse if you could do that.

The uncertainty pricipal isn't an inherent trait of quantum particles, it is merely an observer effect. Take out the observer, lose the effect, and quantum theory soldiers on regardless.

 

[Kurt31416]

No no, the Quantum Theory is even worse. The Uncertainty Principle is just a rule of thumb. You'll see people claim it can be directly derived using statistical methods. The Uncertainty principle says if you know momentum with a certain accuracy you can determine position with a certain accuracy, full blown QT says regardless, it might be on the other side of the galaxy.

That's the Hawking Radiation that makes black holes evaporate, the molecules inside of it might be outside, so occasionally are.

And that notion that the uncertainty is because of the thing you bump into them disturbing them is false. I mean, it's true too, but that's not why. A well beaten path.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Oh, I don't think any complex reading comprehension is required. Pi and e and that they are unknowable, are as real world as math gets.

Improved reading comprehension might also improve your writing skills. I seriously doubt, however, that it would suffice to improve the pretentious drivel masquerading as "a mathematical proof of God."

 

[themadhair]

Yeah, that's what a transendental number is, one who's exact value is eternally unknowable.

Go learn what a transcendental number is. Look up Dirichlet’s use of pigeon hole. If you read that and understand it you’ll see why you are talking crap right about now.

From someone that can't even do elementary algebra?

Why do you never address the content of my posts?

 

[Kurt31416]

Improved reading comprehension might also improve your writing skills. I seriously doubt, however, that it would suffice to improve the pretentious drivel masquerading as "a mathematical proof of God."

Tranalation: "The best I can come up with is moronic ad-hominem."

 

[Kurt31416]

Go learn what a transcendental number is. Look up Dirichlet’s use of pigeon hole. If you read that and understand it you’ll see why you are talking crap right about now.


Why do you never address the content of my posts?

What's to address in that? Someone that can't even do elementary algebra saying to go look up what a transendental number is?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Tranalation: "The best I can come up with is moronic ad-hominem."

Tranalation is not your strong suit.

 

[Tiapan]

In a nutshell, given the Quantum Theory, you can prove with math that science and reason can never explain the Universe, much less make it work. Yet it works. If you define that Great Unknowable that Makes the Universe Work, "God" like you can define it "x" or "y", then you have proven God with formal math.

But you can't make any claims about burning bushes and so on.

At any rate, it's the same as the Living Father of the historical Jesus as primarily found in the Gospel of Thomas, which never mentions things like burning bushes.

Physics especially quantum physics is a lovely solution but please do not use it illegitimately as a definitive explanation of a macro universe when it is primarily the premise of the smallest time and space measurements. Please do not confuse the two

Remember the lotto analogy.

Cheers

 

[Kurt31416]

Physics especially quantum physics is a lovely solution but please do not use it illegitimately as a definitive explanation of a macro universe when it is primarily the premise of the most smallest time and space measurements. Please do not confuse the two

Cheers

The Quantum Theory works for the "macro universe" every bit as much as for small things. If we send you through a slit fast enough, you will diffract. The Hawking Radiation coming from the supermassive black holes, the highest mass objects in the Universe, is from the Quantum Theory.

 

[Kurt31416]

Tranalation is not your strong suit.

Ad-hominem is your strong suit. Apparantly your only suit.

 

[themadhair]

The Quantum Theory works for the "macro universe" every bit as much as for small things.

Someone tell this person about General Relativity. Tell them that General Relativity is the de facto explanation for universal structure on large scales because the fundamental force at the heart of General Relativity, namely gravity, is the most dominant force on large scales by orders of magnitude.
Also tell this person that General Relativity, which is described by continuous mathematics, clashes heavily with Quantum Theory, which is described by discrete mathematics. Tell this person that the very difference between discrete and continuous mathematics leave the mathematics in contradiction before one even gets to the physics.

Someone please tell this person the above information because this person appears unable to read any content contained in my posts.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Someone please tell this person the above information because this person appears unable to read any content contained in my posts.

Sadly, he seems to lap up information like someone drinking pond scum with a sieve. We're dealing with one more master of Cut-n-Waste.

 

[Kurt31416]

Someone tell this person about General Relativity.

From someone that can't do elementary algebra?

Tell them that General Relativity is the de facto explanation for universal structure on large scales because the fundamental force at the heart of General Relativity, namely gravity, is the most dominant force on large scales by orders of magnitude.

[And other comical crap of the same level of ignorance]

I'm embarrassed for you. As I said, the Quantum Theory describes the Hawking Radiation of supermassive black holes, the most massive objects in the Universe with an entire galaxy dancing to their tune.

Hawking radiation (also known as Bekenstein-Hawking radiation) is a thermal radiation with a black body spectrum predicted to be emitted by black holes due to quantum effects. It is named after the physicist Stephen Hawking who provided the theoretical argument for its existence in 1974, and sometimes also after the physicist Jacob Bekenstein who predicted that black holes should have a finite, non-zero temperature and entropy. Hawking's work followed his visit to Moscow in 1973 where Soviet scientists Yakov Zeldovich and Alexander Starobinsky showed him that according to the quantum mechanical uncertainty principle, rotating black holes should create and emit particles.[1] The Hawking radiation process reduces the mass of the black hole and is therefore also known as black hole evaporation.

Hawking radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Quantum Theory destroys black holes, makes them evaporate away.

Hahaahaahah...

 

[Kurt31416]

Sadly, he seems to lap up information like someone drinking pond scum with a sieve. We're dealing with one more master of Cut-n-Waste.

Congratulations, the absolute pinnacle of your intellectual abilities.