Master of the Wind
Father of Reema
Sorry but i disagree with her.
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A Muslim speaks out for reform in Islam
- Thread starter YmirGF
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DeepShadow
White Crow
What's to be sorry about? If she's such a proponent of free speech, she'll respect your right to disagree! As I said before, I disagree with her a lot, and agreed with her a lot. If she's got a problem with that, then I'd point her to her own words about being offended as a part of living free.
mohamedhassan
Member
I heard he say so on T.V! is that reliable? don't have anything in writing
mohamedhassan
Member
Yes she doesn't seem to be a proponent of free speech, to a greater extent then any normal person is. She's willing to change her religion to fit the needs of the time rather then fit the time into her religion. For instance, she claims homosexuality is normal and natural today so there needs to be more room in islam for them. I'm sorry but we don't change our code of belief because someone believes that "times have changed!" What she stipulates isn't Islam its her own concoption. She seems greatly concerned about how Muslims are treating forigners like in iraq (like i mean the US soilders and armed personal) rather then the atrocities commited against them. I don't remember her standing up and denocing the blunt actions of Bush and his allies. Also she has NO RELIGIOUS ATHOURITY!!! In islam people can't just go around and give random rulings and tell people whats acceptable in the religion and whats not with out knowledge. Irshad has no religious backing (except the skool she claims to have gone in elementary) the only "islamic authority" that backs her are so called "imams" which her just saying that proves she doesn't even know what religous authority is in islam lol
Mujahid Mohammed
Well-Known Member
It doesn't matter what she says becasue as you said she has the right to free speech but as far as her opinions concerning matters in our religion it doesn't matter what she says, we have the Quran and Sunnah and it is clear for us who have the knowledge of it. they are the only authorities in our religion and the opinions of those who founded it are the only ones accepted everyone else who has an opinion concerning laws within our deen are beating a dead tree.
Frubals. :yes:
Master of the Wind
Father of Reema
The sorry part after reading her book, I dislike those who cover the wrong with the right, who tried to alter the truth.
neves
Active Member
She has her own opinion... good for her
its just when someone goes around saying random things and then saying "this is Islam" without weight or authority or for that matter any proof... just makes you wonder... In my personal opinion I read her view and I find she has no relevance to me...zero...
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
So are you saying that there is no possibility of change occuring within Islam? Everything is already perfect, so one only needs to return to the clearly established path provided by Allah, Muhammed [pbuh], the companions of the Prophet and that there is actually no need to change anything in Islam accept returning to the basic as preached 1400 years ago. Am I missing something or is this more of less accurate.
Before going into details, i would like to know what kind of change do you mean?
Is it the change in our main dogma and beliefs for instance, or do you mean the normal change which occure within a religion to cope up with time needs without changing the core of the belief system?
vandervalley
Active Member
A good starting point would be that the islamic "religious authorities" can somehow regulate, change or control the use of often abused term 'jihad' somehow??? :yes:
And what does the term "jihad" mean to you?
vandervalley
Active Member
What the term "jihad" means to me is not that important in this case.
The important thing is that can these so called religious authorities able to reform the way "jihad' is used by some sucidal people.
As you wish.
Keep in mind that if the so called civilized countries didn't interfer and stick their nose in the muslim countries business, none of this would happen.
Regarding your question, I'm only "fully" aware of what happened in the place where i live in Saudi Arabia. They formed a large number of teams full of scholars to teach those whom the government catch about the true meaning of jihad.
vandervalley
Active Member
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Bravo!!
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Bravo!!
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I find this PDF file to be helpful in term of understanding the situation with Manji.
http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_Manji.pdf
http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_Manji.pdf
mcteethinator
Idiosyncratic Muslim
I hate Irshad Manji.
Now, Reza Aslan is where it's at. He's Irshad Manji without the self-loathing. Ymir, you should pay less attention to Irshad Manji, and more attention to Reza Aslan, who you'd also like quite a lot without angering the entire Muslim community on this board in the process. He's a Muslim who also speaks out against terrorism, but isn't a complete butthole in the process.
Like basically, Irshad Manji says she's a Muslim right? Yet she criticizes the religion of Islam. She is not criticizing the people that have made Islam bad such as Reza Aslan, she is literally criticizing the religion. She allies herself with anti-Islam bigots (Yes, bigots) like Robert Spencer, etc. She takes Qur'anic verses out of context, etc. While she calls herself a Muslim, in practice she does not resemble one at all. We are not trying to "silence her", we merely do not like frauds.
And people that say moderate Muslims are silent have not been paying attention. The Western media is silent on moderate Muslims *not* being silent, since sadly, "evil terrorists wanna kill you" sells more papers then "Not all Muslims are bad". What exactly can we do when we've done practically everything? I think Westerners don't quite understand that a group of people does not have a hive mind. We can not simply "will" the weirdos silent.
The only reason Irshad Manji is so popular is because she can make people who despise Islam and probably want to see all Muslims deported more secure about their positions. She isn't contributing anything to the anti-terrorist moderate Muslim cause, she simply confirms deep-seated prejudices against Islam to the mostly ignorant population of America. Her rhetoric about moderate Muslims not standing up is complete bull.
Get a Reza Aslan book now.
Now, Reza Aslan is where it's at. He's Irshad Manji without the self-loathing. Ymir, you should pay less attention to Irshad Manji, and more attention to Reza Aslan, who you'd also like quite a lot without angering the entire Muslim community on this board in the process. He's a Muslim who also speaks out against terrorism, but isn't a complete butthole in the process.
Like basically, Irshad Manji says she's a Muslim right? Yet she criticizes the religion of Islam. She is not criticizing the people that have made Islam bad such as Reza Aslan, she is literally criticizing the religion. She allies herself with anti-Islam bigots (Yes, bigots) like Robert Spencer, etc. She takes Qur'anic verses out of context, etc. While she calls herself a Muslim, in practice she does not resemble one at all. We are not trying to "silence her", we merely do not like frauds.
And people that say moderate Muslims are silent have not been paying attention. The Western media is silent on moderate Muslims *not* being silent, since sadly, "evil terrorists wanna kill you" sells more papers then "Not all Muslims are bad". What exactly can we do when we've done practically everything? I think Westerners don't quite understand that a group of people does not have a hive mind. We can not simply "will" the weirdos silent.
The only reason Irshad Manji is so popular is because she can make people who despise Islam and probably want to see all Muslims deported more secure about their positions. She isn't contributing anything to the anti-terrorist moderate Muslim cause, she simply confirms deep-seated prejudices against Islam to the mostly ignorant population of America. Her rhetoric about moderate Muslims not standing up is complete bull.
Get a Reza Aslan book now.