A New Dark Age For Europe

[sooda]

I agree, John the Baptist was baptized within the context of his Jewish faith.

After he recognized the Messiah, he then baptized as a Christian.

Jesus lived and died a Jew. He did NOT found a new religion or convert.

Judaism original sin

People have the ability to choose to follow Torah and the mitzvot of God. That is the heart of the Jewish understanding of free will. All people are descended from Adam, so no one can blame his own wickedness on his ancestry. There is no concept of “original sin” in Judaism.

Original Sin – Derech HaTorah - Pathoftorah
pathoftorah.com/jewish-apologetics/original-sin/

 

[shmogie]

Jesus lived and died a Jew. He did NOT found a new religion or convert.

Judaism original sin

People have the ability to choose to follow Torah and the mitzvot of God. That is the heart of the Jewish understanding of free will. All people are descended from Adam, so no one can blame his own wickedness on his ancestry. There is no concept of “original sin” in Judaism.

Original Sin – Derech HaTorah - Pathoftorah
pathoftorah.com/jewish-apologetics/original-sin/

Christians and Jews often disagree about the meaning of OT scripture.

Every prophecy or verse alluding to Jesus in the OT, they reject.

They missed the boat regarding their own Messiah, that is why Christ, after over 3 years of preaching exclusively to them, sent the Apostles and Disciples to the world.

From the twelve Apostles grew if not the largest, certainly the second largest religion on earth, while Judaism remains a very small religion. They Bible says they will come around though.

 

[sooda]

Christians and Jews often disagree about the meaning of OT scripture.

Every prophecy or verse alluding to Jesus in the OT, they reject.

They missed the boat regarding their own Messiah, that is why Christ, after over 3 years of preaching exclusively to them, sent the Apostles and Disciples to the world.

From the twelve Apostles grew if not the largest, certainly the second largest religion on earth, while Judaism remains a very small religion. They Bible says they will come around though.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that Jews don't believe in Original Sin and neither did Jesus.. John the Baptist was not a Christian.. Like Jesus, he lived and died a Jew.

I don't think they missed the boat.. ALL the prophesies taught them to expect an anointed warrior king who would drive out their Roman enemies.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Do you understand arabic?

Hardly.

 

[Cooky]

I agree, John the Baptist was baptized within the context of his Jewish faith.

After he recognized the Messiah, he then baptized as a Christian.

I disagree. There were no "Christians" during Jesus time -Even Jesus was a Jew and not a "Christian".

Jesus came to fulfill Judaism and open it to gentiles. And If the prophet John was only continuing an old tradition, then what kind of "prophet" was he exactly? A worthless one..?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I like Eid al Adha… Its a feast day that commemorates that God forbid blood sacrifice ever again.

Except it's called the feast of the sacrifice and involves the shedding of a large amount of blood..

 

[sooda]

I disagree. There were no "Christians" during Jesus time -Even Jesus was a Jew and not a "Christian".

Jesus came to fulfill Judaism and open it to gentiles. And If the prophet John was only continuing an old tradition, then what kind of "prophet" was he exactly? A worthless one..?

You're right about Jesus.. Prophets weren't future tellers, they were the conscience of the people. John the Baptizer wasn't worthless.. He was a Nazirite Jew.

 

[exchemist]

I have recently encountered several interviews with Muslims in Europe.

A common thread in the interviews was a desire to outbreed native Europeans and impose Muslim religion and culture.

We have seen what muslim-majority countries look like.

Should the rest of the civilized world prepare for a flood of refugees from Europe as their countries descend into barbarity?

No. And the muslim family down the road is not trying to outbreed the locals, any more than Catholics are trying to outbreed Protestants. Please take your absurd and hysterical propaganda elsewhere.

 

[sooda]

Except it's called the feast of the sacrifice and involves the shedding of a large amount of blood..

The lamb for the Eid is comparable to the Christmas Turkey.. Do you consider the Turkey a blood sacrifice? Its called the feast of the sacrifice because God saved Isaac (or Ishmael) and forbid blood sacrifice forever.

 

[sooda]

No. And the muslim family down the road is not trying to outbreed the locals, any more than Catholics are trying to outbreed Protestants. Please take your absurd and hysterical propaganda elsewhere.

Bravo, bravo!

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Of course, any act contrary to the will or desire of God is sin.

Original sin is simply the inability of man to be in perfect harmony with God, as Adam was originally.

Because of this propensity to sin, blood must be spilled to atone for sin.

God required a blood sacrifice for atonement right at the beginning, Abel provided it, Cain did not.

In the first covenant between God and Israel, blood sacrifices were required, and once a year on the day of atonement, the entire people participated because every one had sinned, and required atonement.

The Bible says Christ was the lamb that takes away the sins of the world.

Just as a lamb was sacrificed, He was sacrificed. The one ultimate sacrifice for atonement, none other is ever needed.

This is exactly why I don't worship the lesser Creator 'god'. The true, Highest, God, Who is not the creator of this material world, would never demand a blood sacrifice of humankind.

 

[Cooky]

You're right about Jesus.. Prophets weren't future tellers, they were the conscience of the people. John the Baptizer wasn't worthless.. He was a Nazirite Jew.

No, prophets are not the "conscience of the people" prophets are messengers from God. Look it up.

...Why would you say such a thing?

 

[sooda]

No, prophets are not the "conscience of the people" prophets are messengers from God. Look it up.

Don't be silly.. There were schools for prophets.. there were lots and lots of them... some better than others. They were observant and they were excellent political analysts. They weren't fortune tellers.. Most prophesy was after the fact... and when it didn't work there was constant redacting, editing and amendments.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

The lamb for the Eid is comparable to the Christmas Turkey.. Do you consider the Turkey a blood sacrifice? Its called the feast of the sacrifice because God saved Isaac (or Ishmael) and forbid blood sacrifice forever.

Rather, it's the feast of sacrifice because it commemorates the day that Abraham showed his willingness to sacrifice his firstborn son to the God of Israel.

 

[Notanumber]

Not so much difference if the "criticism" involves slander that does actual harm to someone. Particularly slander that means to incite violence toward them.

How can criticising an ideology that someone happens to follow be slander?

 

[exchemist]

How can criticising an ideology that someone happens to follow be slander?

It can't if it is just the ideas, but if untrue and derogatory comments are made about the people who follow the ideas, that can be slander. For example, saying that the muslims are trying to outbreed Christians so they can take over would be slanderous.

 

[2ndpillar]

My God, man.. Bearing false witness is a sin among Christians and Muslims.

Yet a Muslim can make a false witness to his wifes, and his enemies, and the majority , if he is a minority, and the goal of his religion is taking over the whole world for Islam, by hooked sword, or by crook. And yet I can state a truth, and a Muslim apologist will make a false accusation about me to protect an Islamic kingdom which supports radical Islam around the world, and produced 19 terrorist who murdered 3000 people. What is someone putting into your tea?

 

[shmogie]

This is exactly why I don't worship the lesser Creator 'god'. The true, Highest, God, Who is not the creator of this material world, would never demand a blood sacrifice of humankind.

Amazing how you can decide what God would, or wouldn´t do.

There is only one God, though you decide what He should do, He does what He does, without much notice of your objections.

 

[shmogie]

I disagree. There were no "Christians" during Jesus time -Even Jesus was a Jew and not a "Christian".

Jesus came to fulfill Judaism and open it to gentiles. And If the prophet John was only continuing an old tradition, then what kind of "prophet" was he exactly? A worthless one..?

So then, though John recognized Jesus as the Messiah, he baptized without consideration of the existence of the Messiah ?

Or, did he baptize within the context of his knowledge that the Messiah had come, as Christians do ?

 

[shmogie]

Well, that doesn't change the fact that Jews don't believe in Original Sin and neither did Jesus.. John the Baptist was not a Christian.. Like Jesus, he lived and died a Jew.

I don't think they missed the boat.. ALL the prophesies taught them to expect an anointed warrior king who would drive out their Roman enemies.

I never said John was a Christian, I said he baptized as Christians do, after he recognized Jesus as the Messiah, i.e. recognizing the Messiah had come.

Your statement re Christ and what is called original sin is categorically wrong, dead wrong.

I don´t know how much study you have given to OT prophecy and the coming of the Messiah, I suspect very little.

You seem to superficially repeat what you have been told or have read in an article.

I suggest that you actually do some study, perhaps with a good Bible commentary.

Much of OT prophecy wasn´t about Roman oppression, very little could be considered as such.