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A Note of Thanks to Creationists and Science Deniers

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
P.S. @Subduction Zone sorry that you don't like the phrase, but yes, anything supposing maybe how abiogenesis FOLLOWED by evolution is conjecture. Argue away as you will...it doesn't change the FACT absolute that it is conjecture. Supposition ... maybe...etc.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
@Subduction Zone Oh and I have no doubt that nothing will preclude the conjecture that evolution stemmed from abiogenesis. Can't have one without the other. Stop making things up, even if you don't like God or believe He exists or believe in the heavens and the earth being created by Him.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You don't believe or like the God that made the commandment so you make no sense when you tell me what to do or not to do. Meantime, there is no basis for the "conjecture" of abiogenesis and -- evolution from that point on. Can't even figure about how prokaryotes started, much less figure how it all really happened.
It is not about liking. When I was a Christian honesty was very important to me. That is one of the reasons that I became an atheist.

As to abiogenesis it is not conjecture. You accept the fact of abiogenesis.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
But you yourself accept abiogenesis.
Now can you apply the ninth commandment to yourself there. Try again. So I'll help you -- here's the situation with me, and until you get it I'll repeat it when necessary: "In the beginninig, God created the heavens and the earth." (Followed by the rest of the account iin Genesis.)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Now can you apply the ninth commandment to yourself there. Try again. So I'll help you -- here's the situation with me, and until you get it I'll repeat it when necessary: "In the beginninig, God created the heavens and the earth." (Followed by the rest of the account iin Genesis.)
Was there life on the Earth when he created it?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Then prove it.
Prove what? That scientists imagine, guess, conjecture, how they think life got started? and developed from there? lol, I've already proved that by showing you that they are still debating how it all happened "at the beginning." They don't know, therefore they guess. Imagine. Suppose. Conjecture. And that beginning necessarily in scientists' minds leading to another possibility (guess, conjecture) -- now that of prokaryotes as the first living beings. I'm not telling you what to believe. Obviously. I'm not a scientist so I can use the word "proof" there. :) Get it?
Just in case, I'll repeat--the concept of abiogenesis is debated (not known how it started) by scientists. They GUESS how life may have gotten started on the earth. They don't KNOW. And == There canNOT be the concept of or happening of evolution as construed by scientists without abiogenesis.
Now believe it or not, don't break that 9th again.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Prove what? That scientists imagine, guess, conjecture, how they think life got started? and developed from there? lol, I've already proved that by showing you that they are still debating how it all happened "at the beginning." They don't know, therefore they guess. Imagine. Suppose. Conjecture. And that beginning necessarily in scientists' minds leading to another possibility (guess, conjecture) -- now that of prokaryotes as the first living beings. I'm not telling you what to believe. Obviously. I'm not a scientist so I can use the word "proof" there. :) Get it?
Just in case, I'll repeat--the concept of abiogenesis is debated (not known how it started) by scientists. They GUESS how life may have gotten started on the earth. They don't KNOW. And == There canNOT be the concept of or happening of evolution as construed by scientists without abiogenesis.
Now believe it or not, don't break that 9th again.
If you claim that something is conjecture and make that claim you have to be able to prove it. Mere opinion is worthless. You might want to start by properly defining your terms.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Was there life on the Earth when he created it?
You gotta be kidding, of course. So I'll help you it with the completion of the sentence, if possible. Do you mean was there life on the Earth when God created the earth? (Are you kidding...? On second thought, I think you're probably not.) Here's what I know, and you can argue with it ad infinitum -- "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.) Followed by the course of events. (Not that I will argue against the account, but have a go at it if you like but do not expect me to.)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
If you claim that something is conjecture and make that claim you have to be able to prove it. Mere opinion is worthless. You might want to start by properly defining your terms.
No, you have to prove what you say is true if you're gonna put that on me. And you do not and cannot.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
If you claim that something is conjecture and make that claim you have to be able to prove it. Mere opinion is worthless. You might want to start by properly defining your terms.
P.S. Read the accounts by scientists and you will find they are arguing amongst themselves about abiogenesis (how it all started). So anything they propose as to how it MAY have happened, is -- guess what?
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
You gotta be kidding, of course. So I'll help you it with the completion of the sentence, if possible. Do you mean was there life on the Earth when God created the earth? (Are you kidding...? On second thought, I think you're probably not.) Here's what I know, and you can argue with it ad infinitum -- "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.) Followed by the course of events. (Not that I will argue against the account, but have a go at it if you like but do not expect me to.)
Yes and if you take that as your argument, there was a time when there was and earth and at a later time, there is an earth that has life, that is the definition of abiogenesis, going from a state of no life to having life.
How this happened is as yet in question, but not that it did.
Assuming life exists in some form with imperfect replication (you are not identical to your parents) evolution is unavoidable and witnessed every day.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You gotta be kidding, of course. So I'll help you it with the completion of the sentence, if possible. Do you mean was there life on the Earth when God created the earth? (Are you kidding...? On second thought, I think you're probably not.) Here's what I know, and you can argue with it ad infinitum -- "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.) Followed by the course of events. (Not that I will argue against the account, but have a go at it if you like but do not expect me to.)
I was being very serious and you dodged the question.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Argument does not make something conjecture. Perhaps you do not understand the definition of that term.
You have some scientists saying one thing, and other scientists saying something else, etc. and etc. It's all conjecture.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yes and if you take that as your argument, there was a time when there was and earth and at a later time, there is an earth that has life, that is the definition of abiogenesis, going from a state of no life to having life.
How this happened is as yet in question, but not that it did.
Assuming life exists in some form with imperfect replication (you are not identical to your parents) evolution is unavoidable and witnessed every day.
It's not my argument. We can keep going with this, but you and I were made with a union of two cells that multiplied, as far as I am concerned, miraculously. Say what you will, I will never be convinced that there is no God involved with creation and life.
 
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