A personal relationship with God?

[Pegg]

i'm baffled by this comment...
i have yet to see an ability believers have obtained that would set them apart from non believers.

the only thing that sets them apart is their willingness to accept Gods standards as their own.

The difference is dependence and independence. If we are willing to be dependent on God, then he will take us in.

 

[Pegg]

In addition there's the problem of submitting to something before it's revealed. A given thing is already assumed true before revelation. You can't even really know what you're submitting yourself to.

This doesn't hold any logic when a larger view is considered, with a world full of proposed gods, goddesses, forces, frameworks, and so forth.

the bible provides a wealth of information about the Creator.. .through study of Gods dealings with mankind in the past, we can come to an understanding of him and make a decision based on that information. I know thats how I came to my decision.

 

[Penumbra]

the bible provides a wealth of information about the Creator.. .through study of Gods dealings with mankind in the past, we can come to an understanding of him and make a decision based on that information. I know thats how I came to my decision.

And other books provide a wealth of opposing information about the Creator, or other creators, or worldviews that don't have creators.

 

[Pegg]

And other books provide a wealth of opposing information about the Creator, or other creators, or worldviews that don't have creators.

yes thats very true

Thats why its good to examine those religions and test them out as respects their authenticity, reliability, sensibility and practicality

 

[Vansdad]

I liken a "personal relationship" with god, to a fan who is enamored with their favorite actor or singer. They believe in them, don't believe they are bad, and honestly feel they have a "relationship" with them as a fan. Oh and they pay money to do it too...........

It's funny to see that a person who does not have this belief still having an opinion on something they know nothing about.

 

[Vansdad]

I get the impression these people are doing it as a form of vindication. They don't feel 'God' in their lives so they seek to impose their beliefs on others as a way of vindicating themselves. It they bring others into the fold, then they must be doing something right. If they "witness" and someone converts, then they feel that they're doing God's will and doing God's work so they must still be saved and they still have a relationship with God.

It's only vindication when unsolicited, otherwise it's just a personal experience.

 

[ninerbuff]

It's funny to see that a person who does not have this belief still having an opinion on something they know nothing about.

Lol, hate to tell you that people are people and what you've been taught is what you believe. Your religion didn't "appear" to you. You've been spoon fed it your whole life.
Unlike you I've looked outside of what I was spoon fed and realized that it was a farce. You cling to a hope that really has no evidence of existing, but placebos have been shown to work for many.
Glad I made you laugh though.

 

[ninerbuff]

yes thats very true

Thats why its good to examine those religions and test them out as respects their authenticity, reliability, sensibility and practicality

You can actually do that with science too. Thing is science can actually be observed.

 

[Vansdad]

Lol, hate to tell you that people are people and what you've been taught is what you believe. Your religion didn't "appear" to you. You've been spoon fed it your whole life.
Unlike you I've looked outside of what I was spoon fed and realized that it was a farce. You cling to a hope that really has no evidence of existing, but placebos have been shown to work for many.
Glad I made you laugh though.

Hate to burst your bubble but I have been agnostic for most of my life. And I'm not even religious now, but I do believe in God.

 

[Quagmire]

Hate to burst your bubble but I have been agnostic for most of my life. And I'm not even religious now, but I do believe in God.

Oh, most bubbles are a lot more resilient than that.

Some are so thick the people trapped inside them can't see anything on the outside.

 

[Quagmire]

Lol, hate to tell you that people are people

Doesn't sound like you've talked to too many of those, and listened to fewer.

 

[Vansdad]

Oh, most bubbles are a lot more resilient than that.

Some are so thick the people trapped inside them can't see anything on the outside.

That can sure have a double meaning.

 

[waitasec]

the only thing that sets them apart is their willingness to accept Gods standards as their own.

that doesn't make sense especially since gods standards have been subjected to mans standards...

The difference is dependence and independence. If we are willing to be dependent on God, then he will take us in.

i don''t know about you, but i value my independence...

 

[ninerbuff]

Doesn't sound like you've talked to too many of those, and listened to fewer.

Ennnnng! Being a Personal Trainer I talk to more people face to face who I don't know or never have met probably more than anyone here. It's part of my job. And as for listening, I wouldn't be a successful trainer if I chose not to listen to what clients desire and the problems they have.
Am I set in stone about my belief in religions? Well that would be a yes till I can find a legitimate source to prove that a god of any kind exists. As of now, like I said people are people............times change, but people don't. Some ideas may change, but people adhere to rules they set for themselves.

 

[Quagmire]

Ennnnng! Being a Personal Trainer I talk to more people who I don't know or never have met probably more than anyone here.

This comment shows a distinct lack of imagination. There are plenty of occupations that involve much more, and much more in-depth communication with people than yours does.

It's part of my job. And as for listening, I wouldn't be a successful trainer if I chose not to listen to what clients desire and the problems they have.

If you really believe what you say here (below):

Lol, hate to tell you that people are people and what you've been taught is what you believe. Your religion didn't "appear" to you. You've been spoon fed it your whole life.
Unlike you I've looked outside of what I was spoon fed and realized that it was a farce. You cling to a hope that really has no evidence of existing, but placebos have been shown to work for many.
Glad I made you laugh though.

...then you either aren't really listening, or you have a mental block when it comes to certain topics. The fact that you could be a member of RF for as long as you have and still believe what you posted tell me it's the latter.

Seriously: your comment above is in about the same league as someone saying "All body builders are narcissistic and have unresolved sexual identity issues".

Am I set in stone about my belief in religions?

I think "under" would be more accurate than "in".

Well that would be a yes till I can find a legitimate source to prove that a god of any kind exists. As of now, like I said people are people............times change, but people don't. Some ideas may change, but people adhere to rules they set for themselves.

Some do, obviously. :yes:

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Seriously: your comment above is in about the same league as someone saying "All body builders are narcissistic and have unresolved sexual identity issues".

Wait, so you're saying he's right?

 

[ninerbuff]

This comment shows a distinct lack of imagination. There are plenty of occupations that involve much more, and much more in-depth communication with people than yours does.

Strawman argument. Your point was I didn't talk to people.

If you really believe what you say here (below):



...then you either aren't really listening, or you have a mental block when it comes to certain topics. The fact that you could be a member of RF for as long as you have and still believe what you posted tell me it's the latter.

Seriously: your comment above is in about the same league as someone saying "All body builders are narcissistic and have unresolved sexual identity issues".

Hahaha! Then you know nothing about bodybuilders. They ALL are narcissistic. Some may have great personalities, but if you don't think they aren't narcissistic, then you have no idea about the culture that surrounds it.

I think "under" would be more accurate than "in".

Nah, I doubt that. Did I also tell you I did door to door sales for 12 years? Imagine how many conversations I had with people who aren't on RF forums? Or seeing the different types of cultures up front first hand? You don't think I've discussed religion on numerous occasions with people? How many tried to convince me that their religion was the true? Please, before you make assumptions on my life, learn about me first.

Some do, obviously. :yes:

Pot calling kettle black.

 

[Quagmire]

Strawman argument. Your point was I didn't talk to people.

My point was you were making a ridiculous generalization. My suggestion that you have listening issues was just was just a speculation about the cause.

Hahaha! Then you know nothing about bodybuilders.They ALL are narcissistic. Some may have great personalities, but if you don't think they aren't narcissistic, then you have no idea about the culture that surrounds it.

Ok, what about that other part?

Nah, I doubt that. Did I also tell you I did door to door sales for 12 years?

And we all know how sincere door to door salesmen are.

Imagine how many conversations I had with people who aren't on RF forums? Or seeing the different types of cultures up front first hand? You don't think I've discussed religion on numerous occasions with people?

Discuss, dismiss,... to a lot of people these might as well be synonyms.

How many tried to convince me that their religion was the true? Please, before you make assumptions on my life, learn about me first.

I'm not the one making assumptions here. I'm commenting on the incredibly myopic generalization you were making in your previous post. No assumptions necessary.

Pot calling kettle black.

Knee jerking out of control.

 

[ninerbuff]

My point was you were making a ridiculous generalization. My suggestion that you have listening issues was just was just a speculation about the cause.

Keep speculating then.

Ok, what about that other part?

Many Pro bodybuilders, female and male, do G4Pay and other "sexual favors" as long as it brings them money. Look up schmoe in the the bodybuilding world.

And we all know how sincere door to door salesmen are.

Of course you have statistics on the sincerity and honesty of all door to door salesman. Talk about generalizing.

Discuss, dismiss,... to a lot of people these might as well be synonyms.

Lol, maybe it was these discussions with people of numerous religious beliefs that led me to believe in Atheism. But of course that wouldn't make sense to you.

I'm not the one making assumptions here. I'm commenting on the incredibly myopic generalization you were making in your previous post. No assumptions necessary.

So you're going to tell me that the majority of religious believers weren't taught by someone in their family or someone they were raised with? Good luck with that. Don't see how that's a myopic generalization when in sense it's true.

Knee jerking out of control.

Thanks for admitting that you did that.

 

[Quagmire]

Keep speculating then.

Nah, I'm sure the deeper I dig the more depressed I'll get.

Many Pro bodybuilders, female and male, do G4Pay and other "sexual favors" as long as it brings them money. Look up schmoe in the the bodybuilding world.

Ok, then lets use my door to door salesmen example.

Of course you have statistics on the sincerity and honesty of all door to door salesman. Talk about generalizing.

Yup, that's exactly what that is. Doesn't make yours look any better though.

Lol, maybe it was these discussions with people of numerous religious beliefs that led me to believe in Atheism. But of course that wouldn't make sense to you.

Why wouldn't that make sense to me? Anyway, we aren't talking about your beleifs, we're talking about your blanket statement about why every theist on the planet believes what they believe.

So you're going to tell me that the majority of religious believers weren't taught by someone in their family or someone they were raised with? Good luck with that. Don't see how that's a myopic generalization when in sense it's true.

Ah, now it's just "the majority". That's progress.

Thanks for admitting that you did that.

Oh come'on, you can do better than that.

Anyway, just to keep our little chat from getting sidetracked by all these dazzling displays of sparkling wit, I'll post this again:

Lol, hate to tell you that people are people and what you've been taught is what you believe. Your religion didn't "appear" to you. You've been spoon fed it your whole life.
Unlike you I've looked outside of what I was spoon fed and realized that it was a farce. You cling to a hope that really has no evidence of existing, but placebos have been shown to work for many.
Glad I made you laugh though.

Do you really believe this? I mean, from what I can see this post was aimed at a guy who just got here, someone you couldn't know much about. so, are you basing the above solely on the fact that he believes in God? I mean do you really think this is what's up with every theist?