Tiberius
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Sure, why not?
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A proposed solution for Young Earth Creationism
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Sure, why not?
ecco
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Tiberius
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John 13:3-5
ElishaElijah
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“Therefore he sent horses and chariots and a great army there, and they came by night and surrounded the city. And when the servant of the man of God arose early and went out, there was an army, surrounding the city with horses and chariots. And his servant said to him, “Alas, my master! What shall we do?” So he answered, “Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.” And Elisha prayed, and said, “Lord, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. So when the Syrians came down to him, Elisha prayed to the Lord, and said, “Strike this people, I pray, with blindness.” And He struck them with blindness according to the word of Elisha. Now Elisha said to them, “This is not the way, nor is this the city. Follow me, and I will bring you to the man whom you seek.” But he led them to Samaria. So it was, when they had come to Samaria, that Elisha said, “Lord, open the eyes of these men, that they may see.” And the Lord opened their eyes, and they saw; and there they were, inside Samaria! Now when the king of Israel saw them, he said to Elisha, “My father, shall I kill them? Shall I kill them?” But he answered, “You shall not kill them. Would you kill those whom you have taken captive with your sword and your bow? Set food and water before them, that they may eat and drink and go to their master.” Then he prepared a great feast for them; and after they ate and drank, he sent them away and they went to their master. So the bands of Syrian raiders came no more into the land of Israel.”
II Kings 6:14-23 NKJV
TagliatelliMonster
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Yep.
You'll consider moral whatever you believe god says is moral.
You'll consider immoral whatever you believe god says is immoral. Regardless of what it is.
This is how one justifies genocide when it is believed or said to be commanded by god.
TagliatelliMonster
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It's not a loaded question.
A loaded question is when you sneak in an assumption, as if it is a given and agreed upon by both parties.
Like "why do you hit your wife?"
The question here however, was "Would you kil if god asked you to". It's not a loaded question. It's a hypothetical question. It doesn't assume something, it flat out says in the event of god asking you X, then....
It's not a strange question either, considering the many times the god has asked people to do exactly that in the bible.
TagliatelliMonster
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So is my friend's brother.
No.
Live birth is an objective independently verifiable fact. It's how mammals reproduce.
Whereas yours is an unverifiable, undemonstrable, untestable subjective experience / anecdote.
TagliatelliMonster
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Iran doesn't have any nukes. Not known anyway.
So even in the unlikely event that they do have nukes and managed to keep them hidden, you couldn't possibly know what they are pointed at.
TagliatelliMonster
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Huh?
Are you asking me if I would kill my neighbors if the god I don't believe in would ask me to?
(the answer is "no" btw)
ElishaElijah
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Nope, I don’t think like this but on the other hand where do you get your morality? If it’s legal it’s moral as in our society, no matter how debased it is?
ElishaElijah
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It’s a good thing we have law enforcement if we have neighbors that threaten our lives and our families, we can call the cops.Huh?
Are you asking me if I would kill my neighbors if the god I don't believe in would ask me to?
(the answer is "no" btw)
What would you do if there was no law enforcement and your neighbors taught their kids to hate you and threatened you and your families lives day after day? You just want to be left alone, but they won’t, they want to destroy you, so you can describe hypotheticals all day long but like I said you and I weren’t there to know all the details, our judgments would be based on assumptions.
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ElishaElijah
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The question is a civil situation compared to a war among nations, not even close to the same. I’m not into murder or killing but preserving life like God is, my morality comes from the Gospel that God’s not willing that anyone perish but all come to repentance, if my life was threatened I would do anything to avoid killing the person. Sometimes it can’t be avoided and people are just bent on killing other people and won’t leave them alone.
ElishaElijah
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God asks me to give things away and that doesn’t make sense, later on though I always ended up with more than when I started.
ElishaElijah
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All that information can be fabricated and made up. Not even sure if you can prove anything to someone else about a person or their life in this forum, it’s all taken by whether you think it’s credible or not and subjective to the hearer.
TagliatelliMonster
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Really?
So can you give an example of where God considers something (im)moral and you disagreeing?
If you find such a situation, then how do you resolve it?
Do you conclude god is wrong or that you must be wrong?
From an understanding of the world around me and the realization that my actions and decisions potentially can impact other people. That the extent of my freedom, ends where yours begins. That if we are to co-exist and cooperate in this shared society, working towards the same goal of prospering and providing for our families, then we must respect those boundaries and acknowledge those impacts.
In a nutshell.
I do not get them from external perceived authorities. I do not outsource my moral reasoning.
I actually have a moral compass.
Laws of the land are more about organization of society and order. Not necessarily about morals. There surely is an overlap, but they are not the same thing.
For example, there are no laws against being a cocky arrogant intellectually dishonest liar. I'ld say it is immoral to act like a cocky arrogant intellectually dishonest liar. But you can hardly make that "illegal".
Wildswanderer
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Nope. Wives. It would have
A Star Trek fan in general understands that it is a fictional show, so no, not a religion.
If you worship the sun it would be a religion.
TagliatelliMonster
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Move.
So you just assume genocide was morally justified, because god said so?
Not really.
We are talking about genocide.
We actually DO have examples TODAY of people who ACTUALLY are like you are describing.
People who hate us westerners. Who are consumed by this hatred. Who actively try to kill us. Who brainwash their kids into numb soldiers willing to die if it means they can kills us while dieing.
You know which people I'm talking about.
Now...
Imagine the US army, marching into ISIS territory and doing what the biblical genocidal story says. Kill everything. Babies, toddlers, men, women, children, ... EVEN CATTLE.
Except virgin girls. They are taken for god-knows-what. (
)What do you think the world's reaction would be?
What would YOUR reaction be?
Would you praise them as heroes?
Or would you rather call them genocidal human-rights-raping maniacs and demand them to be brought to justice?
TagliatelliMonster
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You once again are all over the place, except on point.
Clearly you are doing your outmost best to avoid actually answering the question.
TagliatelliMonster
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Are you being serious?
You are honestly claiming here that our knowledge that mammals reproduce by live birth "could be fabricated and made up"?
Really?
I had pizza yesterday.
But it could have also been a unicorn stake with magic beans.
According to you, apparently, it's 50/50
You're a funny guy.
Wildswanderer
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Why do athiests spend hours defending their beliefs on the internet? Because it's their religion.
Santa Claus deniers generally don't care that much from what I have seen.