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A question about the honesty of the intelligence claims to be God!

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Why blame others? It is a problem created by God himself. He does not deliver his message directly to people and uses his servants. Can he not convey the message directly, can he not make people of whatever age understand his message? He is all mighty, is he not? Even if the servants deliver the message correctly, their followers invariably distort it. For example, the followers of Bahaollah do not accept that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the Mahdi, even when Bahaollah clearly said that people should accept the claims made by messengers and respect them. Then why do the Bahais expect that Jews, Christians and Muslims will accept Bahaollah?

And why the Indian religions? Our Gods do not send messages and messengers. The message of our Gods and Goddesses is eternal. It never requires any change. In case of problems in the world, Lord Vishnu, in charge of sustenance, himself comes in human form. Lord Shiva and Mother Parvati enjoy visiting places and are easiest to obtain boons from. Lord Shiva is known as 'Aughad Dani', one who gives even without a reason. Their mount Nandikeshwarar carries them wherever they want to go.

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loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
But religious morality is deontological, even divine command. No internalized morality is required, sometimes leaving the religious flummoxed in novel situations.

A formalized list of rules is a moral crutch, allowing the religious to function "properly" only in familiar situations. There are no internalized principles to draw from, nor any facility for abstract moral reasoning.
The religious are often moral cripples.
You need to defend this premise.
Why do you think the holy books were inspired of God? Why do you think there even is a god?
If the scriptures were inspired, why are they so contradictory and contain so many factual errors?
Great!
I'm listening....

The scriptures are not contradictory. It’s wrong interpretations which lead to that conclusion. We live in an age of gross materialism which has led to lack of spiritual aptitude to understand spiritual words.

The Holy Books, when properly understood prove themselves and are in no need of further evidence to support they are from God.

Prophets which have appeared since Jesus have clarified many misconceptions in their Writings. Consult them.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The scriptures are not contradictory. It’s wrong interpretations which lead to that conclusion. We live in an age of gross materialism which has led to lack of spiritual aptitude to understand spiritual words.
Why would an omniscient God 'inspire' a book that needs interpretation? Couldn't he make his meaning clear and unambiguous?

Fact: The God of the OT is a warlord; angry, jealous, petty and vindictive. The God of the NT is kinder and gentler.
The Hebrews were never enslaved in Egypt. There was never an exodus. There was never a world wide flood. There are four different versions of the empty tomb. Breed spotted goats by letting them see mottled sticks? Really? Why are there two different creation stories? Why does Pi seem to = 3? How about all those wondrous miracles? Would anyone believe them today, even with first hand testimony? Why doesn't the Bible fix known translation and copy errors?
The Holy Books, when properly understood prove themselves and are in no need of further evidence to support they are from God.
The key words here are "properly understood." I suspect you'd take it to mean "already believed," and how are you defining "proof," anyway?
Prophets which have appeared since Jesus have clarified many misconceptions in their Writings. Consult them.
How do we identify these prophets, and how would we test them? -- 'cause there sure are a lot of people making all kinds of predictions.
Why, for example, do you not accept Joseph Smith as a prophet, or do you?

 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Why would an omniscient God 'inspire' a book that needs interpretation? Couldn't he make his meaning clear and unambiguous?

Fact: The God of the OT is a warlord; angry, jealous, petty and vindictive. The God of the NT is kinder and gentler.
The Hebrews were never enslaved in Egypt. There was never an exodus. There was never a world wide flood. There are four different versions of the empty tomb. Breed spotted goats by letting them see mottled sticks? Really? Why are there two different creation stories? Why does Pi seem to = 3? How about all those wondrous miracles? Would anyone believe them today, even with first hand testimony? Why doesn't the Bible fix known translation and copy errors?
The key words here are "properly understood." I suspect you'd take it to mean "already believed," and how are you defining "proof," anyway?
How do we identify these prophets, and how would we test them? -- 'cause there sure are a lot of people making all kinds of predictions.
Why, for example, do you not accept Joseph Smith as a prophet, or do you?


The reason we say that the meaning now is properly understood is because we believe that the tenth Avatar of Vishnu, Kalki has appeared and explained it to us.

When materialism dominates and people lose the ability to understand spiritual language and only perform the outward rituals, at that time, according to the Bhagavad-Gita, an Avatar appears to reestablish the principles of true religion and spirituality, to replace what is being masquerading as religion today, for we see it fails to unite and establish peace or justice because man has interpreted religion according to his own idle fancies and ambitions.

We witness today that, although we have billions of so called ‘religious’ members, the world is in turmoil and its plight is descending into chaos and anarchy.

Where then may we ask is true religion? That is the task of the second coming of Jesus, Maitreya, which is synonymous with Kalki just different names.

We believe He has come and the world is in a stage of two processes. One process is the self destruction of the materialistic order which is taking place before our very eyes, and the other process is the reconstruction of a spiritual civilisation of justice and human rights.

It won’t happen overnight but the old order is visibly descending into chaos and confusion.
 
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