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But the truth always fits don't it freind?Guitar's Cry said:But, comes in as many varieties as there are perspectives. Truth is a shapeshifter: while it may have a single essense, its form is infinite and elastic.
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But the truth always fits don't it freind?Guitar's Cry said:But, comes in as many varieties as there are perspectives. Truth is a shapeshifter: while it may have a single essense, its form is infinite and elastic.
I think we're on exactly the same page here.Willamena said:The world as you perceive plus the world as others perceive it is the world as we perceive it, still subjective. "The world" in general is the sum total of all that we, together, can know; objective. Our individual bits are just as true as the bigger picture --the only thing that changes is the size of the picture (from 12" to 48" bigscreen).
Good analogy! How much can we truly experience another's picture? How closely do we see the world "together"?Willamena said:The truth aslo is not changed by the size of the picture. We each "take" a snapshot of the world and what's there is true (unless it's a deliberate lie), and if we like we can look at someone else's photo and add it to our photo and smile wisely. Sure, we can't claim their photo as ours, but we can give it an assessment of reasonable doubt.
The photos are not a separate world, they are simply one person's take on the world. "The objective world" is "the world as we perceive it" together.
Ah, but even the unknowable - symbolic as it must be, since we interpret it as "unknowable" - is still truth. It is a part of reality: both subjective and holistic (objective). An idea, no matter how far-fetched, is still real as far as it goes. My dream of fighting space aliens with hot dogs that shoot mustard is real: it makes up a piece of my reality, has affected change, and acts as a stimuli. So the unknowable, as an idea that I find meaningful, is as true in my reality (as a piece of the holistic reality) as the fact that I have two feet.Willamena said:We cannot know the unknowable --that's why it's unknowable. It is what is beyond our senses and our machines.
We can make it significant. We can assign meaning to it, give it a symbol and elevate that symbol to the level of a "thing" in our world. Then it very much counts ... but not as truth, only as truly a symbol (not as god, only as the image of God).
By acceptance, I meant that since it is experienced (received through outside stimuli), it is true. In fact, something we would call false is true as it exists. For instance, I could say that I am a purple monkey. But, I am not a purple monkey. What I said was false. This false idea is true as a false idea. (I don't quite remember why I had stated that false things exist as false things - it seems out of place ).Willamena said:I'll have to think on "our acceptance" as a part of "what is true;" that doesn't ring true for me at all. Truth is simply there: in the identity we give to things; in the symbols that stand in place of their meaning; and in our recounting of those symbols to the best of our ability.
I don't believe that anything has a "false" existence.
love said:But the truth always fits don't it freind?
LogDog said:How do you feel your life on earth has been made more complete through your religious belief?
My turn to ask a question.Here's a graphic I posted recently that depicts the scientific process compared to that of the faithful. http://a4.vox.com/6a00c2251d306b604a00cd9713fbf44cd5-pi
What do you mean by "belief"? You seriously believe a person's experiential knowledge of, and relationship with, Ultimate Reality is mere belief?LogDog said:How do you feel your life on earth has been made more complete through your religious belief?
LogDog said:It is unless you have new evidence that substantiates your god hypothesis.
Hahaha! Where did you get that smiley!Rolling_Stone said:What do you mean by "belief"? You seriously believe a person's experiential knowledge of, and relationship with, Ultimate Reality is mere belief?
Certainly the experience is thinner for some people than in others, and clearly conceptual interpretations vary as well the experiences themselves. What do you expect? We are finite creatures looking to the Infinite. For anyone to assume one's religion is mere belief is the epitome of supercilious arrogance. Does reality end where the skin begins?
HAHAHA! CUTE!Rolling_Stone said:
Thank you!Rolling_Stone said:
Mister Emu said:I know the truth.
It's only two pages for me.Well, there's a few wasted minutes of reading an eight-page thread that I'll never get back...
comprehend said:I haven't read through the entire thread but if somebody else has responded to this I am sorry.
I would suggest you have a strange idea of what makes something true. Does that mean that the earth was flat before anyone had evidence? or that relativity was not "true" before Einstein figured it out?
If something is true, it is true regardless of the amount of evidence we can provide. If it is false, it is false regardless of all the evidence in the world to the contrary.
LogDog said:At one time it was accepted as "truth" that the earth was flat. As overwhelming contradictory evidence came to light, our error in judgment was realized.
Relativity is a theory.