A question for Jews,Chrisians, and Muslims

[rosends]

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thanks for these efforts , just translate me to French when i request . it's so kind .


can you give me a origine hebrew website link sources of ALL 63 books of Talmud ?
because the an expert in that TV channel will translate it to Arabic , it's may take few years .
so in that time i compare it to your origin reference .

btw I guess Mr Tawif Okasha is famous in Israel , he announce angry speech against Hamas , when he suspect Hamas memebers murder some Egyptian soldiers in Sinai .


can you please give us some exemples of mythes passages from Talmud ?

I don't know if this is 63, but it is a start Talmudic Tractates - Judaism.com

 

[Smart_Guy]

I say because he cares.

 

[James Field]

I say because he cares.

Haha short and to the point, huh ?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Haha short and to the point, huh ?

Yup

We have a saying here that roughly translates too: "the best of speech is what's cut short and makes a point".

But anyways, it was what I humbly believe only

 

[roger1440]

during the history , were the Jews a good partner in covenants with God ?

Many of the stories in the Jewish Bible mention the good ole days. The stories are written to encourage the Jews to return to what they once were. They are stories of hope. The stories are written in the present bad times and point to the glory of the past times.

 

[Levite]

Many of the stories in the Jewish Bible mention the good ole days. The stories are written to encourage the Jews to return to what they once were. They are stories of hope. The stories are written in the present bad times and point to the glory of the past times.

Actually, virtually the entirety of Judges, Kings, Chronicles, and the books of the prophets (both major and minor), plus part of Samuel, and parts of the Torah-- to say nothing of Lamentations-- revolve heavily on how bad the behavior of the People Israel was at those times, how disappointing they were to God, and how they got (or would get) what was coming to them.

A gigantic portion of the Tanach are actually cautionary tales about what bad things our ancestors did, and how we should be careful not to follow their example.

 

[roger1440]

Actually, virtually the entirety of Judges, Kings, Chronicles, and the books of the prophets (both major and minor), plus part of Samuel, and parts of the Torah-- to say nothing of Lamentations-- revolve heavily on how bad the behavior of the People Israel was at those times, how disappointing they were to God, and how they got (or would get) what was coming to them.

A gigantic portion of the Tanach are actually cautionary tales about what bad things our ancestors did, and how we should be careful not to follow their example.

You sort of said the same as I did, just in more detail. To add to what I said earlier I want to say the incentive of many of the stories was to put the Jews back on track. They had gone astray.

 

[Moishe3rd]

why did God start reaching out to non-Jews ? Especially if they were his chosen people. Is there any scripture or theological/philosophical position addressing this ?

"Chosen people" has been addressed elsewhere.
However - Why did G-d reach out to "non Jews?"

The Torah tells us that Esav is Edom; Edom is Rome; and Rome is Christianity.
“Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai stated: Halacha b'yadu'a Esav soneh l'Yaakov." - "it is a well known halacha (law) that Esav hates Yaakov..."
In my humble opinion, Christianity was given to Esau in order for Esau to repent and no longer live by the "sword of Esav."

The Torah tells us that Yishmael is the Arabs and Muslims.
And that Yishmael “v’hoo yihyeh pereh adam, yado bakol v’yad kol bo" - "he shall be a wild beast man whose hand is against everyone and whose face is against his brothers."
In my humble opinion, Islam was given to Ismael in order for the Arabs to repent and be tamed from their beastly ways.

In my humble opinion, as I have written elsewhere, all of the Asian religions come from Abraham's children which would be G-d's method of having that portion of mankind understand that Everything comes from G-d.

 

[bretzter]

Who then do you suppose the "Gentiles" are if Edom is
meant to be Rome/Christianity?.
I thought Edom was right next door to you,and been at
peace with Israel since the end of its six day war in
which Jordan was involved in?.

 

[Moishe3rd]

Who then do you suppose the "Gentiles" are if Edom is
meant to be Rome/Christianity?.
I thought Edom was right next door to you,and been at
peace with Israel since the end of its six day war in
which Jordan was involved in?.

I don't understand your inferences.
"Gentiles" are simply non Jews. I am not sure why, but the word "gentile" was translated from the Hebrew "גוי" / "goy", which means "nation" which, in this context would mean "other nations," not Jewish.
So, anybody "not Jewish" would be a gentile.
I don't understand about "Edom" being "next door."

 

[chosen people]

why did God start reaching out to non-Jews ? Especially if they were his chosen people. Is there any scripture or theological/philosophical position addressing this ?

The Jewish perspective may be found in the Jewish scriptures in the book of Yonah (which you know know as the book of Jonah - unfortunately the fascination with the "big fish" which is usually translated to "whale" as well as the Christian scripture linkage to the three days and the Christian leader makes many readers miss one of the main points)
We see Yonah being sent overseas to a pagan town which in the end is redeemed. The story teaches us that God's redemption is not limited to geographical confines such as the area of the eternal Jewish homeland. It also teaches that God's redemption is open to all, Jew and non Jew alike. There is only one God and He is the God of all mankind and we are all His children. Hope this helps.

 

[Nada]

why did God start reaching out to non-Jews ? Especially if they were his chosen people. Is there any scripture or theological/philosophical position addressing this ?

The Jews turned their back on God and committed spiritual adultery by worshipping other gods.The book of Jeremiah speaks of this.God turned His attention to all of mankind now.That is why there is no more circumcision and kosher laws anymore.One does not to be a literal Jew anymore.Now they are spiritual Jews with circumcision of the heart.

All of Jeremiah ch.2 speaks of how The Jews turned their back on God.

2:13 They have turned away from Me, the well of living waters. And they have cut out of the rock wells for water for themselves. They are broken wells that cannot hold water.


2:20-25
Israel Turns Its Back on God
20 “Long ago I broke the load from your neck and tore off your chains. But you said, ‘I will not serve!’ For on every high hill and under every green tree you have lain down as a woman who sells the use of her body. 21 Yet I planted you as a vine of much worth, in every way a true seed. How then have you turned away from Me and become a wild vine? 22 Even when you wash yourself with much strong soap, the mark of your sin is still before Me,” says the Lord God. 23 “How can you say, ‘I am clean. I have not gone after the false gods of Baal’? Look at what you did in the valley! Know what you have done! You are like a wild young camel wanting to mate. 24 You are a wild donkey used to the desert, that smells the wind in her desire. In the time of her mating who can turn her away? All who look for her will not become tired. In her month of mating they will find her. 25 Do not run until your shoes wear out or until your mouth is dry. But you said, ‘It is of no use, for I love strange gods, and I will go after them.’ (NLV)

 

[metis]

The Jews turned their back on God and committed spiritual adultery by worshipping other gods.The book of Jeremiah speaks of this.God turned His attention to all of mankind now...

That can only be arrived at through stereotyping us, which I would hope your parents told you not to do because it is a form of lying. Jeremiah was a Jew communicating to other Jews about the need to keep the faith in a correct and moral way. And if you read all of Jeremiah, it's quite clear that he is not referring to all Jews but to some.

BTW, the Tanakh says that if a self-proclaimed prophet says that the Law is no longer necessary, then he is actually a "false prophet".

 

[Kolibri]

That can only be arrived at through stereotyping us, which I would hope your parents told you not to do because it is a form of lying. Jeremiah was a Jew communicating to other Jews about the need to keep the faith in a correct and moral way. And if you read all of Jeremiah, it's quite clear that he is not referring to all Jews but to some.

BTW, the Tanakh says that if a self-proclaimed prophet says that the Law is no longer necessary, then he is actually a "false prophet".

Jeremiah's proclamations were Jehovah's words. And they were applicable to a wide enough population spread to prevent Jehovah from feeling regret and preventing the foretold disaster. This does not mean that all Jews are stereotyped. Though many humans tend to do that. And sometimes that stereotype is warranted. But with all stereotypes, each person needs to be treated as an individual that may not conform to the norm. There is no room for prejudice in Jehovah's justice.

 

[Kenny]

why did God start reaching out to non-Jews ? Especially if they were his chosen people. Is there any scripture or theological/philosophical position addressing this ?

It was always His desire to reach all people for we are all from Adam. Ex 19
5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine,
6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites."

If His chosen were going to be a whole kingdom of priests... to whom were they priests? The world!

 

[metis]

Jeremiah's proclamations were Jehovah's words. And they were applicable to a wide enough population spread to prevent Jehovah from feeling regret and preventing the foretold disaster. This does not mean that all Jews are stereotyped. Though many humans tend to do that. And sometimes that stereotype is warranted. But with all stereotypes, each person needs to be treated as an individual that may not conform to the norm. There is no room for prejudice in Jehovah's justice.

Jeremiah's proclamations were his words to his people, and if one takes the issue of divine inspiration literally, substitute "God" for "his". What's wrong is when one takes a particular narrative and isolates it from the surrounding narratives, because that can lead to false conclusions.

Over and over again the Tanakh states that the Law is "forever", "perpetual", and other words that are similar. Therefore, if someone says that God ended the Law, this turns God into a liar, and I don't think we should do that, right?

 

[Kolibri]

It was always His desire to reach all people for we are all from Adam. Ex 19
5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine,
6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites."

If His chosen were going to be a whole kingdom of priests... to whom were they priests? The world!

Up until the establishment of the 'new covenant' prophesied about in Jeremiah 31, there was not provision for individuals to serve as both kings and priests at the same time. The Law covenant separated the roles into different tribes.

Not enough Jews accepted the Messiah to fill the full number of positions open. The is foretold to happen in Hosea 1:10 and reiterated at Romans 9:25,26; 2 Corinthians 6:18; 1 Peter 2:10.

Over and over again the Tanakh states that the Law is "forever", "perpetual", and other words that are similar. Therefore, if someone says that God ended the Law, this turns God into a liar, and I don't think we should do that, right?

God Law does stand forever, but when is he referring to the covenant specifically and when is he referring to torah' in a greater sense? Are people confusing torah' with mishpat' (judicial decision/judgement) and mitswah' (commandment)?

The Law Covenant itself was bilateral. Meaning it could be broken and the other party would no longer be obligated to keep it. But the torah', being related to the verb yarah' can also mean "direction,teaching,and instruction," and not to the Law Covenant exclusively, these things from Jehovah do endure forever, as He will always be our Lawgiver. (Isaiah 33:22)

(Granted I have not looked up the scriptures showing the bilateral nature of the Law Covenant to cite here. I am typing between obligations.)

 

[metis]

Up until the establishment of the 'new covenant' prophesied about in Jeremiah 31, there was not provision for individuals to serve as both kings and priests at the same time. The Law covenant separated the roles into different tribes.

Not enough Jews accepted the Messiah to fill the full number of positions open. The is foretold to happen in Hosea 1:10 and reiterated at Romans 9:25,26; 2 Corinthians 6:18; 1 Peter 2:10.


God Law does stand forever, but when is he referring to the covenant specifically and when is he referring to torah' in a greater sense? Are people confusing torah' with mishpat' (judicial decision/judgement) and mitswah' (commandment)?

The Law Covenant itself was bilateral. Meaning it could be broken and the other party would no longer be obligated to keep it. But the torah', being related to the verb yarah' can also mean "direction,teaching,and instruction," and not to the Law Covenant exclusively, these things from Jehovah do endure forever, as He will always be our Lawgiver. (Isaiah 33:22)

(Granted I have not looked up the scriptures showing the bilateral nature of the Law Covenant to cite here. I am typing between obligations.)

Fortunately, a fair number of churches have realized that to claim that the Law and Covenant could supposedly be terminated by God after He promised He wouldn't, that this would basically make God a liar. What they have done is to now believe that the "new covenant" was added to the "old covenant", which makes far more sense and doesn't turn God into one who breaks His promises.

I believe I posted the messianic verses on this thread, but if I'm confusing this with another thread, let me know and I'll post them again. Also, you can access the 613 Laws and where they're found in Torah at the Judaism 101 website if you're interested.

BTW, God at a couple of times in the Tanakh does threat to back out of the Covenant if we don't straight up our act, but then He states that He wouldn't do that. Instead, another covenant can be found In Ezekiel that goes forth from there whereas the final judgement will be done on a personal scale, not on the entire society. IOW, if I screw up, all Jews will not be judged by that, but I will be judged. This carries over into the Christian scriptures, as personal judgement is what's promised.

However, let me make it also clear that if I screw up, this may have a negative affect on both other Jews and non-Jews, so it's not like I'm living in some sort of bubble. .

 

[TashaN]

why did God start reaching out to non-Jews ? Especially if they were his chosen people. Is there any scripture or theological/philosophical position addressing this ?

Allah is for all humanity, not only for any supposed chosen people. It's true that many great prophets have been sent to sons of Israel but that doesn't mean he didn't send to others. In Islam we believe that a Prophet must have been sent to every single country, village, etc till the last Messenger, Mohamed peace be upon him was sent to all humanity and to mark the beginning of the end of our life on earth as we know it.

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't know if this is 63, but it is a start Talmudic Tractates - Judaism.com

You posted website content titles of Talmud books !!!

my requested for website content whole the Talmud .