A Question for Trump Supporters

[Saint Frankenstein]

Better wages. It forces companies to produce domestically, thus bringing jobs and opportunities to American workers, rather than having the option to go overseas and pay pennies on the dollar for the same labor. It would also reduce the trade deficit, which would keep our dollars here in America and stimulate the economy.

Yes, a billionaire demogogue with multiple failed businesses who never had to work for anything in his life and who has zero experience in politics or economics totally cares about and will make things a lot better for the working class. I will not be holding my breath for some economic miracle from him. His dumb supporters will surely rejoice when the trade war heats up and they can't buy cheap stuff from China anymore. Oops. Then you throw in increasing automation and eventually reality should dawn that those jobs are not coming back. The post-war boom of American manufacturing is history. They better start supporting fully automated luxury communism (yes, a real form of communism that is proposed) or at least a guaranteed income if they want to survive.

 

[Quetzal]

Nope. That's entirely your perception.

This is true.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nope. That's entirely your perception.

No, it really isn't. There is such a thing as reality, you know.

 

[suncowiam]

um, actually I think Ronald Reagan should get the credit for that.

Stand corrected...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Better wages. It forces companies to produce domestically, thus bringing jobs and opportunities to American workers, rather than having the option to go overseas and pay pennies on the dollar for the same labor. It would also reduce the trade deficit, which would keep our dollars here in America and stimulate the economy.

Are you talking about protectionism?

The measures he’s taken so far in that department seem to be hurting the economy more than they’re helping. And increased tariffs raise prices for the imports that American companies use as their production inputs, so these measures will cost American jobs, too. What makes you think that the net effect is positive for American workers?

 

[Lyndon]

Better wages. It forces companies to produce domestically, thus bringing jobs and opportunities to American workers, rather than having the option to go overseas and pay pennies on the dollar for the same labor. It would also reduce the trade deficit, which would keep our dollars here in America and stimulate the economy.

which means higher prices for everyone!!

 

[Augustus]

Couldn't you have linked this to sex and Christian values somehow?

Fundamentalist Trump supporters: if you came home and found your teenage daughter furiously masturbating over a Breitbart news exposition on the logic of Trump's trade war with China, would you be more upset that she was vigorously ransacking her dignity in the eyes of God, or more proud that she clearly has a passion for robust MAGA economic policies?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

That's funny, all I see him doing is perpetuating the status quo, cementing it into existence even, while claiming he isn't.

It's all an illusion. Watch this hand.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Better wages. It forces companies to produce domestically, thus bringing jobs and opportunities to American workers, rather than having the option to go overseas and pay pennies on the dollar for the same labor. It would also reduce the trade deficit, which would keep our dollars here in America and stimulate the economy.

The money supply in the US is just fine. We create new money by the busload through fractional reserve banking and deficit spending. Balancing the trade deficit needs to go hand in hand with federal fiscal restraint or inflation rears it's ugly head.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Fundamentalist Trump supporters: if you came home and found your teenage daughter furiously masturbating over a Breitbart news exposition on the logic of Trump's trade war with China, would you be more upset that she was vigorously ransacking her dignity in the eyes of God, or more proud that she clearly has a passion for robust MAGA economic policies?

Sorry bub, I live in a different world.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Why?

What is it about Trump and the execution of his responsibilities that has you convinced he's the right man in the right place?

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Our problem in the US stems from the existence and double standard of the Establishment. And the most dangerous element of that Establishment isn't the socialist politicians, academia or even the Democrat Party, it's the media who are chiefly responsible for keeping the people ignorant and/or misinformed. Trump had me when he took it to the media, and he's sealed the deal by his actions since taking office.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's all an illusion. Watch this hand.

The one he uses to "grab them by the *****" with?

 

[Phantasman]

Why?

What is it about Trump and the execution of his responsibilities that has you convinced he's the right man in the right place?

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Because what he has been able to do appears to be working for the better. Don't see/hear much threats from ISIS anymore. Businesses appear to be doing better because of tax cuts (elevating stock investments) and eliminating harsh EPA stranglings. People are seeing higher paychecks for a change as well as bonuses. NK seems to have stopped it's aggressive posture for now, and wants a meeting with the POTUS.

I see just these few as a good sign for the short term. Only the future will tell if they are long term changes for the better.

 

[Stanyon]

Yes, a billionaire demogogue with multiple failed businesses who never had to work for anything in his life and who has zero experience in politics or economics totally cares about and will make things a lot better for the working class. I will not be holding my breath for some economic miracle from him. His dumb supporters will surely rejoice when the trade war heats up and they can't buy cheap stuff from China anymore. Oops. Then you throw in increasing automation and eventually reality should dawn that those jobs are not coming back. The post-war boom of American manufacturing is history. They better start supporting fully automated luxury communism (yes, a real form of communism that is proposed) or at least a guaranteed income if they want to survive.

Because running international businesses takes zero work and failed businesses net billions

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Because what he has been able to do appears to be working for the better. Don't see/hear much threats from ISIS anymore. Businesses appear to be doing better because of tax cuts (elevating stock investments) and eliminating harsh EPA stranglings. People are seeing higher paychecks for a change as well as bonuses. NK seems to have stopped it's aggressive posture for now, and wants a meeting with the POTUS.

I see just these few as a good sign for the short term. Only the future will tell if they are long term changes for the better.

There's an awful lot of stuff you're laying at Trump's door without much in the way of a causal link.

 

[Stevicus]

Yes, a billionaire demogogue with multiple failed businesses who never had to work for anything in his life and who has zero experience in politics or economics totally cares about and will make things a lot better for the working class.

That makes him no different than any other wealthy individual who enters politics. The question was why did people support Trump, not whether or not Trump cares.

 

[Stevicus]

Are you talking about protectionism?

Some people would call it that.

The measures he’s taken so far in that department seem to be hurting the economy more than they’re helping.

Too soon to tell.

And increased tariffs raise prices for the imports that American companies use as their production inputs, so these measures will cost American jobs, too. What makes you think that the net effect is positive for American workers?

Because I've seen what the net effect has been by embracing the policies that economists think are good for the economy. They abandoned the tried and true methods which made us into an economic superpower and embraced voodoo economics instead. The results speak for themselves.

 

[Stevicus]

which means higher prices for everyone!!

We already get higher prices anyway. It can be easily solved through price controls.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because I've seen what the net effect has been by embracing the policies that economists think are good for the economy. They abandoned the tried and true methods which made us into an economic superpower and embraced voodoo economics instead. The results speak for themselves.

Free trade - i.e. getting other countries to get rid of their protectionist approach to US imports in exchange for access to American markets - has been a big part of how the US became an economic superpower.

OTOH, the trade war with China that Trump is trying to start or his threats to repeal NAFTA aren't doing American workers or businesses any favours:

DES MOINES, Iowa – From hog producers in Iowa to apple growers in Washington state and winemakers in California, farmers expressed deep disappointment Friday over being put in the middle of a potential trade war with China by the president many of them helped elect.

After President Donald Trump announced plans to impose tariffs on products, including Chinese steel, Beijing responded Friday with a threat to slap an equal 25 percent charge on U.S. products such as pork, and a 15 percent tariff on such things as wine, apples, ethanol and stainless-steel pipe.

American farmers “should be not necessarily infuriated but close to it,” said Wayne Humphreys, who farms corn and soybeans and raises hogs and cattle near Columbus Junction, Iowa. “We’ve invested a lot of time, talent and treasure in developing markets around the world, and with the stroke of a pen, that investment has been jeopardized.”

Trump draws ire of farmers targeted in Chinese trade dispute

Major automakers, suppliers and auto dealers launched a new coalition on Tuesday to urge U.S. President Donald Trump not to withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Auto trade associations representing major carmakers including General Motors Co (GM.N), Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T), Volkswagen AG (VOWG_p.DE), Hyundai Motor Co (005380.KS) and Ford Motor Co (F.N) are part of the coalition dubbed "Driving American Jobs." The group is behind an advertising campaign to convince the White House and voters that the NAFTA pact has been crucial in boosting U.S. automotive sector production and jobs.

Auto industry tells Trump 'We're winning with NAFTA'

 

[Stevicus]

I do find it interesting that those who ostensibly purport to be liberals would embrace right-wing economic policies. This has been the Democrats' problem since the 1990s. They sold out to Reaganomics and wonder what happened to their support base.