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A question that is on my mind

nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
james bond said:
If you mean to stimulate sexual feelings, then the Bible says it is a sin of lust. This is what you seem to be asking. So how do you learn about these things if one does not know. I think sexual education is fine being taught in high schools as well as contraception. Some of it could start in middle school as we had kids doing marijuana, alcohol, and stronger drugs and passing pornographic nudie mags around. What could be worse is pornography according to the Bible as it is addicting.

So what does a healthy Christian young man in today's world have to do? I think pray daily, for one, as there are many temptations that get us off from the mind of God. Personally, I think one has to at least be exposed to some of what's bad to know, i.e. experience what is good vs. bad. With the bad, my advice is to take it slow. Don't just rush headlong into it. You may get used to liking it or addicted and not get out. Thus, the Bible and God is always there for the good. You can experience what is good. You just have to take it slow on the bad, so you can get back on the good if things go wrong or not to your liking.

I think the other thing what your questions are leading to is premarital sex. That is something one has to decide for themselves. The old adage is true. It is better to wait until marriage. However, it is difficult when there are much temptations out there in today's world to stimulate young men and how your girl friend feels, too. How far do you go with foreplay? With that my advice is to go slow. If you do have sex, then it changes your relationship. It isn't necessarily for the better because at your age it is difficult to understand sexual feelings which are quite powerful as well as feelings of love and wanting to take care of the other person. The actual sex act does not deal with those feelings underlying your relationship. Also, what happens if she gets pregnant? Are you ready to deal with issues like that? Thus, my advice is to go slow and experiencing sexuality. it's safest if you wait until marriage, but otherwise go slow.
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As a "Christian", you encourage premarital sex???
Didn't Paul encourage marriage, if one's sexual urges seem uncontrollable?
(1 Corinthians 7:9) But if they do not have self-control, let them marry, for it is better to marry than to be inflamed with passion.
Is that not the right advice?
 
james bond

james bond

Well-Known Member
nPeace said:
As a "Christian", you encourage premarital sex???
Didn't Paul encourage marriage, if one's sexual urges seem uncontrollable?
(1 Corinthians 7:9) But if they do not have self-control, let them marry, for it is better to marry than to be inflamed with passion.
Is that not the right advice?
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Quote mining and putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that? I think my advice was to wait for marriage as best. The old adage is best, remember? In reality, what happens is young people are tempted with the bad. We do not want them to have an unwanted baby in cases where it gets out of hand, so I advised sex education including contraception in high school. At that age, I carried contraceptives and learned about sex in a sexual education class. The opposite sex was a great mystery as well as that of great interest. We had girls with different levels of dress, speech, and behavior. Religion wasn't that important. However, to this young man, it appears he is asking questions about it with his JW religion.

As for Paul, one has no self-control over their sexual attraction for each other, so your advice is to get married? What if they're really young like 12 yrs old? Didn't people get married when they were children in ancient times? Is this what you are recommending? The times have changed. A better discussion for what you brought up is how does one know if the other is the one who is right for them. Just because they are together may not mean that this is the person God chose for them. Then we have their religious background come into play at their age. We also could have their parents involvement if they are not considered adults by law.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
james bond said:
Quote mining and putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that? I think my advice was to wait for marriage as best. The old adage is best, remember? In reality, what happens is young people are tempted with the bad. We do not want them to have an unwanted baby in cases where it gets out of hand, so I advised sex education including contraception in high school. At that age, I carried contraceptives and learned about sex in a sexual education class. The opposite sex was a great mystery as well as that of great interest. We had girls with different levels of dress, speech, and behavior. Religion wasn't that important. However, to this young man, it appears he is asking questions about it with his JW religion.
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I didn't quote you, nor put words in your mouth..
It seems like you were encouraging premarital sex, by not strongly condemning it, but giving advice on what to do, when doing it.

james bond said:
As for Paul, one has no self-control over their sexual attraction for each other, so your advice is to get married? What if they're really young like 12 yrs old? Didn't people get married when they were children in ancient times? Is this what you are recommending? The times have changed. A better discussion for what you brought up is how does one know if the other is the one who is right for them. Just because they are together may not mean that this is the person God chose for them. Then we have their religious background come into play at their age. We also could have their parents involvement if they are not considered adults by law.
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(1 Corinthians 7:36) But if anyone thinks he is behaving improperly by remaining unmarried, and if he is past the bloom of youth, then this is what should take place: Let him do what he wants; he does not sin. Let them marry.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There are several ways that one can "preserve one's virginity". In the South "Eatin' ain't cheatin'". Or if one is Catholic there is another alternative:

 
Deeje

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
james bond said:
it is difficult when there are much temptations out there in today's world to stimulate young men and how your girl friend feels, too. How far do you go with foreplay? With that my advice is to go slow. If you do have sex, then it changes your relationship. It isn't necessarily for the better because at your age it is difficult to understand sexual feelings which are quite powerful as well as feelings of love and wanting to take care of the other person. The actual sex act does not deal with those feelings underlying your relationship. Also, what happens if she gets pregnant? Are you ready to deal with issues like that? Thus, my advice is to go slow and experiencing sexuality. it's safest if you wait until marriage, but otherwise go slow.
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I think you need to understand that although Frank may appear to be a youngster, he is actually 31 years old according to his profile. He is a mature aged man but is obviously lacking in many of the finer points of 'adulting'. He has embraced some of our teachings but has had no formal education in our beliefs. We have a free home Bible study program that he has been encouraged to take advantage of.....and there is no obligation attached, but to date he has not done anything about it. We understand that that is his choice, but these kinds of questions become a little tiresome when often repeated. We would love to help him, but he has to choose what he wants to do with regard to gaining everlasting life. (John 17:3)

We would encourage him to study the Bible first and see for himself what it teaches before he asks these kinds of questions here and then gets confused by answers that do not reflect the Bible's teachings at all.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Frank Goad said:
Is it ok to see your girlfriend naked before marriage?If your girlfriend and boyfriend?What does the bible say?
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The Bible says lots of things. Everyone can find loopholes to do whatever they want. Not everyone can be true to himself. Be true to yourself.

First: Follow "your conscience"
Second: "Love your self" will follow
Third: "Love God" will follow
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Windwalker said:
No, it's not okay as a fundamentalist Christian to see her naked before you're married. Therefore, you two should turn off the lights first before getting into bed with each other.
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God even has taken care of that already
People naturally close eyes when kissing
Closed eye kissing is also for non-Christians
 
S

Seek truth

Member
ChristineM said:
A woman is not a diamond, she has a brain and can think for herself so I would say it is not up to a man to dictate how a woman dresses, unless of course the arrangement is reciprocal and the man dresses how the woman in his life directs.

Anyway we are talking one to one, close relationship of boyfriend/girlfriend here, not public performance
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I just gave an example.

And yes, it's not the man who came up with the rule for woman to cover themselves.

Those are God's rules. God tells the men to cover themselves from the belly button to the knees, and he tells the women to cover themselves except their hands and face if they want to.

And that all is to avoid assaults, rape etc...

It's not only islam that tells us to cover our body, but cristianity and judaism tells the same
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Seek truth said:
I just gave an example.

And yes, it's not the man who came up with the rule for woman to cover themselves.

Those are God's rules. God tells the men to cover themselves from the belly button to the knees, and he tells the women to cover themselves except their hands and face if they want to.

And that all is to avoid assaults, rape etc...

It's not only islam that tells us to cover our body, but cristianity and judaism tells the same
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Which is fine if you believe those stories. Many people don't. Many people do believe in god but also believe in the 21st century.

To avoid assault and rape? Are men not capable of controling their urges if they see a bit of natural skin? Do not blame a woman's clothing for perverted aggressors.

Yet christianity and Judaism seem to have gotten over their sexism to some extent.
 
S

Seek truth

Member
ChristineM said:
Which is fine if you believe those stories. Many people don't. Many people do believe in god but also believe in the 21st century.

To avoid assault and rape? Are men not capable of controling their urges if they see a bit of natural skin? Do not blame a woman's clothing for perverted aggressors.

Yet christianity and Judaism seem to have gotten over their sexism to some extent.
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First of all It's also the other way around. A woman could get attracted by a man too if he's not covered.

You mentioned that christianity and Judaism seem to have gotten over their sexism. That's why in their countries women are still getting assaulted or sexualy attacked more than in the other countries.
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Frank Goad said:
Is it ok to see your girlfriend naked before marriage?If your girlfriend and boyfriend?What does the bible say?
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Actually....... it would take quite a bit of effort to not see your boy- or girl- friend somewhat naked before biblical "marriage".

Basically... biblically... if a man and woman become "one flesh" -they are married (intention is a factor) !

Some amount of "naked" is pretty much a given.

Otherwise... INTENTION is still a factor.

If you do not intend to spend the rest of your life with their naked hottieness, seeing them naked will only likely make you want to become one flesh with them temporarily.

In that case..... go as far away as possible!

Though sex is pleasant, the well-being of the next generation is the most important consideration.

If you are unable or unwilling to give offspring what they need -make the best possible decision.

Otherwise.... live with regret every day of your life -and theirs!

 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Seek truth said:
First of all It's also the other way around. A woman could get attracted by a man too if he's not covered.

You mentioned that christianity and Judaism seem to have gotten over their sexism. That's why in their countries women are still getting assaulted or sexualy attacked more than in the other countries.
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Yes, sexually is a natural thing, and as i said, many people don't.

Note
Rape statistics - Wikipedia
Two of the first 4 countries for rape are muslim countries dominated by Sharia law. So is that why there women are still getting assaulted and raped
 
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