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- Thread starter Monomonk
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whereismynotecard
Treasure Hunter
I disagree.
Are you saying there are no true facts? If you are saying there is no true science,
would you agree there is false science?
monomonk
Are you saying there are no true facts? If you are saying there is no true science,
would you agree there is false science?
monomonk
"Truth" and "Fact" are two very different things. The scientific method is set up so that anyone who uses it correctly should in theory come to rational conclusions in the end. Therefore the only "false" science is science that doesn't use the scientific method or doesn't use it properly; it's not science at all.
Truth is philosophical, conceptual and extremely abstract; facts are simply the way things are as far as we can perceive and measure. Beyond what we cannot measure and perceive, there are no facts, though there might be truths... and we don't know what they are yet.
BucephalusBB
ABACABB
So your question is actually: "Do you believe in one truth?"?
Engyo
Prince of Dorkness!
I am more comfortable when MY religion agrees with currently known scientific fact. I say this with the complete understanding that yesteryear's "known scientific fact" is very often contradicted by today's "known scientific fact" and tomorrow's will probably contradict todays.
If a religion can remain relevant through all of that, it has a strong potential to be "True" at least on an individual basis - true for me, even if it isn't for you.
If a religion can remain relevant through all of that, it has a strong potential to be "True" at least on an individual basis - true for me, even if it isn't for you.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
The problem with your statement is that it is the classic justification by some religious fundamentalists to deny or twist scientific facts in favor of religious 'truths'.
wa:do
wa:do
Not me pal, or is it gal, well anyway I do not agree with the so called religious fundamentalists and their so-called "classic religious 'truths' ", or do I agree with the "scientific fundamentalists". But you can rest assured that you will hear what I believe.
monomonk
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
Not at all. To be honest, I'm more than a little surprised on those occasions when science and religion do agree.
Then again, I'm fairly certain that before this thread is finished, we are going to be treated to your definition of "true religion" and "true science".
My question: Do you believe that all true religion and all true science must agree has
absolutely nothing to do with what I think "true religion" is or what "true science" is,
and I am not asking anyone to agree with me on what true religion is or true science.
My question is not hard to understand: do you agree or not?
monomonk
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
I guess I need to understand the distinction between "true" religion and just the plain old garden variety.
There is only one science, so I don't understand the need for the qualifier "true" in front of the word.
And no - I do not agree that they agree - or that they must agree.
In the absence of unambiguous definitions of "religious truth" and "scientific truth" your question is adolescent and meaningless.
Hillel and the Golden Rule:
Once there was a gentile who came before Shammai, and said to him: "Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot. Shammai pushed him aside with the measuring stick he was holding. The same fellow came before Hillel, and Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it."
A religious truth? Why?
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
That's probably like telling a true democrat and true republician they must agree
uss_bigd
Well-Known Member
Yes, because The God of the bible created science as well.
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
Oy vey!!
TurkeyOnRye
Well-Known Member
If the science and religion in question have any bearing on reality (which in this case they do considering they're "true"), then yes, they should be compatible with each other.
Mainstream religions, however, are normally not that compatible with today's science.
Mainstream religions, however, are normally not that compatible with today's science.
You are right, mainstream religions are not compatible with today's science, so it's
"back to the drawing board" for religion, and that is exactly what I did, and I will tell
about what I did.
monomonk