A Rather Risky Black Mass

[jasonwill2]

There are other sources that won't charge you anything if you can't afford to pay.

For instance, every state offers mental health aid through its social services department. I went that route when I had mental health problems and was charged very little for some immensely helpful sessions that spanned six months all told.

It can be a real trial to find someone who can and will work with you as you are and won't leave you feeling that they disapprove of your essential self or your LHP. That's one reason why occultists need to become more organized and to be more open and vocal about who we are and what we stand for--so that people who are mental health professionals who would know and understand your beliefs wouldn't be afraid of losing their jobs because they are into the so-called dark arts.

Please keep trying to find someone you can work with to help you sort out these feelings. I agree with Mindmaster that self-destructing at the baptism which could easily happen, particularly since you're bipolar, would do you no good at all and might well land you in a padded cell or worse.

Padded cell? Nonsense. I will be practicing the First Amendment. Since it is a rite, it's a religious act me standing up and speaking. They can't as that is me practicing my religion, and at that Free Speech covers me too.

Also I don't know if I could prove to the people that I can afford, it depends what kind of proof I need.

Why not do this? I have nothing better to do and all the signs point towards it.

 

[HerDotness]

I didn't have to do anything but tell the counselor what my current income was, and the fee per session was determined on a sliding scale.

She explained beforehand that if I couldn't afford to pay anything, they weren't going to refuse me help. There were resources to allow them to take people who couldn't pay (or said they couldn't.)

The fee was based on the information I gave her. I'm confident that she meant it when she said I wouldn't be turned away if I said I couldn't pay without going hungry or becoming homeless.

 

[jasonwill2]

I didn't have to do anything but tell the counselor what my current income was, and the fee per session was determined on a sliding scale.

She explained beforehand that if I couldn't afford to pay anything, they weren't going to refuse me help. There were resources to allow them to take people who couldn't pay (or said they couldn't.)

The fee was based on the information I gave her. I'm confident that she meant it when she said I wouldn't be turned away if I said I couldn't pay without going hungry or becoming homeless.

I know the place turned my co-pay from 20 a visit to 5 a visit, but I was talking about getting help such as medications or something else. But still my shrink there is a fundy, that makes talking to him about this kind of thing very hard as he really doesn't understand the religious nature behind it.

 

[jasonwill2]

Guys can you give me any practical advice for going through with this?

 

[Mindmaster]

Guys can you give me any practical advice for going through with this?

Nope, because there are really no practical reasons for doing this. You're likely to get punched in the mouth or lynched for no good reason. I understand your feelings with the matter, but I see no incentive to act on them at least for the reasons you've stated. Remember how they think -- they believe they're unequivocally right about everything. There is no thinking about it for the most part so you're seriously wasting your time. You're only putting your own neck out to hang, and I don't see any reward coming that is worth it. Why do you have to be honest with them? People are fundamentally dishonest and lie to each other all the time. If you're motive is the truth of it then realize they don't care. If it's the spectacle realize the rumor mill inflates the story and you will be eating babies by morning... Followed by your house arson and butt whooping. In regards to your own safety no one is going to recommend you carry that out.

 

[jasonwill2]

Nope, because there are really no practical reasons for doing this. You're likely to get punched in the mouth or lynched for no good reason. I understand your feelings with the matter, but I see no incentive to act on them at least for the reasons you've stated. Remember how they think -- they believe they're unequivocally right about everything. There is no thinking about it for the most part so you're seriously wasting your time. You're only putting your own neck out to hang, and I don't see any reward coming that is worth it. Why do you have to be honest with them? People are fundamentally dishonest and lie to each other all the time. If you're motive is the truth of it then realize they don't care. If it's the spectacle realize the rumor mill inflates the story and you will be eating babies by morning... Followed by your house arson and butt whooping. In regards to your own safety no one is going to recommend you carry that out.

I really don't care what people think, and I also think that perhaps people are over-estimating the potential for violence.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I can't even imagine the point behind this. Who cares if people know, who cares what they think, why do you need to say it out loud? I think you are far too obsessed with what is external when what matters is internal. There is absolutely no need to go scare a bunch of already pathetic and useless people. They aren't even worth the thought! As for dedicating your soul to Satan, I doubt Satan would be happy about you going out and making him (and us) look even worse. If you are going to go around or to church to announce this, start dressing nicer. Keep semi groomed, wear a nice shirt, hold the door for people, etc etc etc. It is the christian perspective that Satan is dark, weak minded, etc. Prove them WRONG, not correct. I deeply enjoy the looks of people who interact with me when my pentagram falls out of my over shirt and they realize we LHPers can be mature, intelligent, unique, good people.

The rare moment that I agree with you

 

[Iti oj]

i see nothing good coming from this....nor can i see any reason or need you can gain from this. heck trolling them will just make all us lhp people look bad.

you want advice? stop going to church.

 

[Iti oj]

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i saw you responded and opened the thread expecting to report your post, but good question. though idk if Satan as his god incarnate is the right term to use.

but good question.

 

[InChrist]

i saw you responded and opened the thread expecting to report your post, but good question. though idk if Satan as his god incarnate is the right term to use.

but good question.

Thank you for not reporting. I only used the term "god incarnate" because that was the term he used in post #16. Anyway, considering the advice of another concerned member I've decided to ask no further questions, at this point.

 

[jasonwill2]

i see nothing good coming from this....nor can i see any reason or need you can gain from this. heck trolling them will just make all us lhp people look bad.

you want advice? stop going to church.

I'm not trolling it's for me and also they have free donuts, Coffee, and it makes me feel less lonely...

then again if I do this I give that up... decisions decisions...

I can't help asking questions because this is a DIR and I believe I am only allowed to ask questions.

Does Satan, your god incarnate, care if you self-destruct?

Do you care to stop asking questions?

i saw you responded and opened the thread expecting to report your post, but good question. though idk if Satan as his god incarnate is the right term to use.

but good question.

The answer is quite brutally: yes and no. Satan is concerned with the large-scale of man, and if I decide to do something stupid he doesn't have the time or inclination to stop me as it would work against my autonomy which he encourages us to have. On the other hand self-destruction probably baffles and dismays him greatly. It's like how a park ranger must watch an animal do something that stupidly kills itself because he can't interfere with the natural process. Satan can't mess with things unless I ask him to, even then because it will mess with the balance of nature and the dynamics of mankind as a whole if he stared doing that with everyone.

Thank you for not reporting. I only used the term "god incarnate" because that was the term he used in post #16. Anyway, considering the advice of another concerned member I've decided to ask no further questions, at this point.

Good then.

 

[jasonwill2]

You obviously care what they think. Why bother with a public display if this were not so? Are you mad at the whole congregation, the pastors/priests, the whole denomination? Or, are you merely attempting to impress yourself with eviler than thou behavior? You don't have to tell me about what reason fits, but at least figure that out. Some of these courses are worth pursuit and some are completely irrelevant. I would have no problem with personally talking to a pastor or priest and confronting them directly about their lies and bull and informing them that I will no longer be party to their sham. You can write your denominations headquarters and renounce your membership in the church as well if that is the idea. Think actively not symbolically -- symbolism is window dressing and not the meat of the problem. A lot of the emotional difficulties will disappear once you have formally denounced them. Trust me.

Somehow I missed this post.

I explained perfectly in my first post my reasons for this. It's about getting over my fear about just saying "I am a Satanist" outloud. Rationally, I shouldn't have this fear. It has nothing to do with them. Why is this so hard to believe?

On the other hand perhaps I should just go to the park and scream "I am a satanist and I am proud"? but people might take that to be more attention seeking otherwise. I need to do it in a place that symbolizes the very oppression that keeps me afraid of being openly what I am.

It's like I'm afraid that people will kill me on the spot or call the police and get me locked up if I say I'm a Satanist... im trying to get over this fear. Besides perhaps I do care what people think and this way everyone will already think badly of me so I don't need to worry anymore as it will not matter after this what I do. Think of it as the social version of teh Renouncation of The Trinity... as I will already be damned socially it doesn't matter therefore I can just be proud openly.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Padded cell? Nonsense. I will be practicing the First Amendment. Since it is a rite, it's a religious act me standing up and speaking. They can't as that is me practicing my religion, and at that Free Speech covers me too.

Something included in the First Amendment is to let others practice their own also, so basically you'd be violating the First Amendment. You do have the right to practice your religion, but not inside a temple of their religion.

 

[jasonwill2]

Something included in the First Amendment is to let others practice their own also, so basically you'd be violating the First Amendment. You do have the right to practice your religion, but not inside a temple of their religion.

Of course I do, I'm not stopping them. If they ask me to leave I will.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

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You are allowed to ask questions, but it's still against the rules to get off the subject of the thread, you might want to start your own thread in this DIR asking these questions, and starting your own threads in the DIR with those questions might get you more answers as well.

Didn't report

 

[jasonwill2]

I find it interesting that none of us have faith in Christians to not kill me... except maybe me.

Do we really make them out to be that violent? Or are they really that violent? This isn't the Bible Belt even though it's relatively close.

Actually, I think my county just barely escapes the fading red there.

No, I take that back. I'm not in it looking at other maps.

Actually this next one below says I'm in baptist country:

I'm not actually sure if I am in the belt, but this is my county:

Compare that to the maps above and it seems at best I'm pretty much outside of the Belt.

Edit: but it does seem Baptist is the leader church here even if it's not in the Bible Belt, I read one map wrong.

 

[blackout]

church trolling.

*yawns*

 

[1137]

Why do you refuse to answer the Christian's questions? She's allowed to respectably ask questions. Besides, you seem to pretty much believe the same things...

 

[jasonwill2]

church trolling.

*yawns*

I'm not trolling a Church. It's for my gain, not theirs. You guys are really unsupported you know that?

Why do you refuse to answer the Christian's questions? She's allowed to respectably ask questions. Besides, you seem to pretty much believe the same things...

Take your ignorance somewhere else ever since you got to these forums you have constantly shown yourself to understand nothing about Theistic Satanism and if I get another snide remark like that I will just report it. Consider this a warning. This isn't "Jason answers questions about his beliefs" time. If she wants that she can go to my topic named "Jasonwill2's beliefs as a Theistic Satanist" in the Theistic Satanist directory, it has flowcharts and my articles of faith on it. This isn't the topic.

 

[jasonwill2]

Should this which I said before not be suffice reason for you all if your all so convinced I care what they think? Perhaps I do, but it doesn't matter in the end effect:

It's like I'm afraid that people will kill me on the spot or call the police and get me locked up if I say I'm a Satanist... im trying to get over this fear. Besides perhaps I do care what people think and this way everyone will already think badly of me so I don't need to worry anymore as it will not matter after this what I do. Think of it as the social version of teh Renouncation of The Trinity... as I will already be damned socially it doesn't matter therefore I can just be proud openly.