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A Rational Reactionary Religion

gsa

Well-Known Member
Western culture is evil, and the behavior we see in pre-modern and insular religious communities is virtuous?
 

fschmidt

Old Testament Reactionary
Western culture is evil, and the behavior we see in pre-modern and insular religious communities is virtuous?
Basically yes. Generally good cultures rise and become more productive while evil cultures decline. Today we are living in the decline of Christian culture. Modern culture has gone bad, become evil. I believe this began in the late 1800s with the Christian Second Great Awakening in America. It takes a while for religious error to manifest itself. The 1920s and 1960s were big drops in morality. By now, morality is almost entirely gone.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Basically yes. Generally good cultures rise and become more productive while evil cultures decline. Today we are living in the decline of Christian culture. Modern culture has gone bad, become evil. I believe this began in the late 1800s with the Christian Second Great Awakening in America. It takes a while for religious error to manifest itself. The 1920s and 1960s were big drops in morality. By now, morality is almost entirely gone.
So what in particular do you miss? The stoning of sinners? The murder of women who refuse to marry their rapist?
 

fschmidt

Old Testament Reactionary
So what in particular do you miss? The stoning of sinners? The murder of women who refuse to marry their rapist?
I will answer for me personally.

I happen to oppose the death penalty. The Bible isn't wrong for having the death penalty, that was appropriate for its time but is no longer needed.

What I miss: Harsh public condemnation for immorality and inconsideration for others. Bring guilt back, people need it. Adultery should be harshly condemned and punished. Public modesty should be enforced. Religious rituals of all kinds should be encouraged as exercises in self-discipline.

Actually I am working out right now and posting between reps. Let me know if you want more.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I will answer for me personally.

I happen to oppose the death penalty. The Bible isn't wrong for having the death penalty, that was appropriate for its time but is no longer needed.

What I miss: Harsh public condemnation for immorality and inconsideration for others. Bring guilt back, people need it. Adultery should be harshly condemned and punished. Public modesty should be enforced. Religious rituals of all kinds should be encouraged as exercises in self-discipline.

Actually I am working out right now and posting between reps. Let me know if you want more.
I'm actually curious about what torah laws you keep
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
I will answer for me personally.

I happen to oppose the death penalty. The Bible isn't wrong for having the death penalty, that was appropriate for its time but is no longer needed.

What I miss: Harsh public condemnation for immorality and inconsideration for others. Bring guilt back, people need it. Adultery should be harshly condemned and punished. Public modesty should be enforced. Religious rituals of all kinds should be encouraged as exercises in self-discipline.

Actually I am working out right now and posting between reps. Let me know if you want more.
So you endorse self-hatred? Is that what you miss?
 

fschmidt

Old Testament Reactionary
I'm actually curious about what torah laws you keep
The answer is in the link in my signature, which I can't promote here so I can't tell you to click on it. But I'll answer generally. I keep shabbat. I have no tattoos. I wear tzitzit. I teach my children the Torah. I maintain high moral standards of honesty, etc with people who I consider to be moral (but I have no morality regarding humanity in general). I have a stable marriage, which is encouraged in the Torah. That's what comes to mind at the moment.
 

fschmidt

Old Testament Reactionary
So you endorse self-hatred? Is that what you miss?
You confuse guilt with self-hatred? That is a symptom of vanity. What is healthy is to balance pride and guilt, pride for what you did right and guilt for what you did wrong. Modern culture is a culture of psychopaths who are incapable of guilt because their vanity blocks it.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
The answer is in the link in my signature, which I can't promote here so I can't tell you to click on it. But I'll answer generally. I keep shabbat. I have no tattoos. I wear tzitzit. I teach my children the Torah. I maintain high moral standards of honesty, etc with people who I consider to be moral (but I have no morality regarding humanity in general). I have a stable marriage, which is encouraged in the Torah. That's what comes to mind at the moment.
Do you think that the torah law concerning tattoos just means specifiv types, or any tattoo?
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
You confuse guilt with self-hatred? That is a symptom of vanity. What is healthy is to balance pride and guilt, pride for what you did right and guilt for what you did wrong. Modern culture is a culture of psychopaths who are incapable of guilt because their vanity blocks it.
I'm a bad person to start that with. I actually am a psychopath, or borderline(borderline anti-social personality disorder) anyway. Portion of my brain doesn't do empathy well, yadda yadda.
 

fschmidt

Old Testament Reactionary
I'm a bad person to start that with. I actually am a psychopath, or borderline(borderline anti-social personality disorder) anyway. Portion of my brain doesn't do empathy well, yadda yadda.
Isn't this a bit of a contradiction? No psychopath would ever call himself a bad person.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Isn't this a bit of a contradiction? No psychopath would ever call himself a bad person.
No, I mean I'm a bad person to debate this with. I can't exactly argue that culture isn't psychopathic when I can't explain what non-psychopaths are like.
 

fschmidt

Old Testament Reactionary
Do you think that the torah law concerning tattoos just means specifiv types, or any tattoo?
It actually makes no difference to me what the Torah law specifically means. What matters is the principle behind the law (or as Christians might say, the spirit of the law). The reason for the law against tattoos was that evil cultures of the time wore tattoos and the Israelites were not supposed to copy the symbols of evil cultures. Incredibly, this exact same logic applies today. Modern culture is evil, and tattoos are a symbol of that evil culture. Therefore any moral person should distance himself from the symbolism of modern culture by not wearing a tattoo of any kind.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
I assume you are asking in the Talmudic racist sense. Yes, I am racially Jewish.

And one that disseminates antisemitic drivel, I see.

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fschmidt

Old Testament Reactionary
And one that disseminates antisemitic drivel, I see.
Racially, ethnically, whatever. Is there really such a big difference between race and ethnicity? Okay, maybe it would be more technically correct to call Talmudic Judaism ethnicist instead of racist, but then no one would know what I am talking about. The point is that Talmudic Judaism judges people by their blood line instead of by who they are as a person.

As for accusing me of antisemitism, that is completely absurd. Have you no sense of honesty? I do not judge people by race or ethnicity. You can call me anti-talmudic.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
What are your views on those of us who follow the Gods of our ancestors? In my case it would be Odin, Freyja, Frigga, Thor, Tyr, so on and so forth of the Norse Pantheon.

Have you done the blood eagle to your enemies?

Please say yes. :(



But note that I don't follow Talmudic rules about shabbat. I consider driving work because it is stressful.

Apart from the fact that it ignites fire... (if it isn't an E-Car)


I assume you are asking in the Talmudic racist sense.

Oh my here we go again.


Basically yes. Generally good cultures rise and become more productive while evil cultures decline. Today we are living in the decline of Christian culture. Modern culture has gone bad, become evil. I believe this began in the late 1800s with the Christian Second Great Awakening in America. It takes a while for religious error to manifest itself. The 1920s and 1960s were big drops in morality. By now, morality is almost entirely gone.

So times were still moral when the settlers genocided the majority of all natives in the Americas.
The more you know.
 

fschmidt

Old Testament Reactionary
Apart from the fact that it ignites fire... (if it isn't an E-Car)
Moses also said to kill those who violate the Sabbath. Do you do that? The point is that the details of the law were appropriate for the time, and at that time fire was used for work which is why Moses banned it. It wasn't some arbitrary law, it had logic behind it. But Talmudic Judaism rejects logic. The principle of shabbat is to avoid work, to set the day apart, and to keep it holy. If you light a fire without violating this principle, then you have violated Moses's law (which was for a time and place and is outdated) but not God's law.

So times were still moral when the settlers genocided the majority of all natives in the Americas.
The Israelites did exactly the same when they occupied Israel. Morality primarily applies to how people treat members of their own society.
 
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