Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
They haven't banned guns.
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A terrorist attacked a movie house in Germany
- Thread starter FearGod
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Neither i, but that how they see it.
It happens quite consistently, along a remarkably long period of time. Since Munich now, at least.
One wonders who could have taught them that. But what would a kuffar know?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
What happened in Munich? i don't understand what do you mean?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Not prophet Muhammed for sure, he warned his soldier from harming even a tree, his wars
were with the ones holding the swords in the battle field.
In 1972, there was a very traumatic, very public murder of Israeli athletes during the Munich Olympics.
While the events since are nothing if not complex, I think it is fair to say that it was an important factor in keeping the Israelis vindictive. And of course, both the massacre itself and the Israel revenge emboldened further attempts, which have become regrettably commonplace in Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre
You realize this sounds more than a bit self-contradictory?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
And it has nothing to do with Islam, Hamas wasn't even born yet.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Self-contradictory with what?
Hamas is just a more recent manifestation of Arab-Muslim antisemitism. Israel had to literally go to war with it at least twice before, at its 1940s inauguration and in 1967.
What do you mean by Muhammed warning against harming even a tree, while at the same time frequently waging war in the battlefield?
Are you implying that somehow he and his followers of the time did not harm their enemies? I am fairly certain that the Qur'an does not support such a claim.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
How such wars between Jews and Muslims are related to Islam?
Or religion is the reason for all our wars including world war I and II?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Islam didn't exist at that era, some atheists accepted Islam and the others fought them
to force them to leave Islam, they fought the messenger and not the contrary.
LimeDragon99
Member
They banned the guns in France a Brussels((It's a city I know)) and most other countries in Europe, Shootings still happened.
I created a topic to learn more about that a few weeks ago, to no avail.
But to the best of my current understanding, Islam is indeed a complete way of life.
One that has way too little reluctance in lending prestige to the idea of treating people in different ways due to belief or nationality.
One that teaches that all people are basically destined to choose eventually between acceptance of the Qur'an or endless torment in Hell.
One that emphasizes its own deity-idea so much that it has pretty much turned it into a crutch, without which little remains of its own doctrine. Always a dangerous step to take, since it is so easy for any believer to convince himself that he is acting "in God's name".
And it is also, for whichever exact reasons, it is also one whose name wave after wave of fanatical terrorists proclaim as they make a point of drawing Israeli blood.
No matter how consistently it is shown that (obviously) most Muslims disapprove of that violence, one has to ask why the correlation is so strong.
Proselitist monotheisms do have a strong tendency to nurture bitter conflict, as seems only natural in hindsight. It is very difficult to be at peace with people that one has sincerely convinced himself to be willing, unrepentant sinners.
But no, wars have varied causes. One of the most decisive, particularly in those two World Wars, is nationalistic chauvisnism and pride. I long for the day when humanity repúdiates both to their extinction.
Atheists? Don't you mean Pagans? Somehow I doubt there were significant communities of atheists back in the day. Of course, in a sense it is monotheism that creates atheism...
Isn't it a direct contradiction for one to be an atheistic Muslim?
That is an odd story if I ever heard any. Even were I to accept it without questions, it must be acknowledged that it is a rare military conflict that has one side claiming to be the aggressor. It is quite often possible to spin the narrative to present the aggression as a "necessary response".
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And they still happen where they haven't banned guns. What's your point?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Yeah, it always "Nothing to do with Islam" or "Nothing to do with guns." <yawn>
Jumi
Well-Known Member
Not really, you need a motive that you want to change society. An agenda. If someone just kills someone else or even a group of people they aren't a terrorist if we don't find something they wanted to achieve in the targeted society by that. It doesn't matter how misguided they are or how stupid they are in choosing their targets.