A woman's rage

[ChristineM]

I'll just take this as further evidence of your reading comprehension problem.

So when you say "The "vast majority of men applauding the thread" come off as obsequious sycophants"

Is not calling the vast majority of men applauding the thread obsequious sycophants.

Never mind my reading skills, you need to seriously consider your language, interpersonal and logic abilities.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I find the following two points of yours somewhat at odds:

It's no longer a matter of accusing people of actual wrongdoing; people are being accused and attacked merely for what they "believe" or "disbelieve."

And it's really not that easy for women to make an accusation like this, especially since there's a lot of people (including, in this instance, a sufficient majority in the Senate) who didn't believe it.

Does the problem here boil down to two "sides"? One side which takes the victim's words to heart, perhaps too readily? And one side that makes an attempt not to believe until the bitter end? If these women aren't being believed, then where does the shaming of those who don't believe them come in?

If both sides substantially agree with each other that rape is bad, that it's a crime which should be stopped and punished, then what, exactly, is this debate about? Where is the disagreement? Can someone tell me that?

I can tell you why I believe there is still discussion to be had. Why "debates" without very clear goal posts end up cropping up about the relations between men and women whenever something "off-color" and public ends up happening involving a highly-visible figure. it is because, due to our basic biology and instincts, the vast majority of men have a much wider variety of sexually-themed thoughts and desires about members of the opposite sex than do the vast majority of women. To satiate this drive - to satisfy the desires, some men are willing to act. Some are willing to use positions of relative power and sway to get there, some turn to intimidation when more "wholesome" avenues don't get them there, some are willing to turn to drugs or other methods of restraint, some make lewd comments hoping for some kind of sexual rise or reaction, some even take what they want and leave.

Now compare men and women. Who is far, far more likely to do these things and perpetrate acts of sexual aggression - whether active or passive? Is it not ALL TOO EASY to see that men are the bigger culprits? That men are the more frightening in their behavior in this vein? Is it not all too easy to understand that, because it is an intrinsic part of men, that it will bleed into our culture(s)? Women, in (again) the vast majority of cases, do not bring this to the table. Sure you may find anecdotes to the contrary, but with men (as I stated in my last post) it is the other way around. You are more likely to have to bring anecdotes to the table of men who don't let their sexual drives affect their outward behavior in negative ways. This is why there will constantly be discussions about this. This is why you will find yourself on the defensive, and feel the need to point to yourself as one of the anecdotes. Again... you may not be to blame. I may not be to blame. But some men are to blame. Women simply aren't - which is why they will always feel victimized - because they certainly aren't the perpetrators.

 

[Shaul]

It is obvious by this thread alone that some men dont understand

Tell me, have you ever been raped? So you speak from no experience. Expected.

Male rape has already been broached.

You are one of only a few replying who consider it a poor analogy.

As opposed to the male joy of abusing women, you have essentially just blown your own argument out of the water.

However, it does seem to have got you mildly considering the pain, abuse and stigma that can and does stay with a woman throughout her life... Hasn't it?

Um, I myself said some men don’t get it. I also said the vast majority do.

Have I ever been raped? Wow! Talk about chutzpah. Would you also like to know my credit card numbers, mother’s maiden name and every other personal bit of information about me? Whether I have ever been raped, which is certainly none of your business, is totally irrelevant to the points I made.

Speaking of “obvious”, it is quite clear that you want to misdirect because you can’t refute my points. You admit that male rape is an issue, then glibly and out of hand dismiss it. You concede that I am not the only one to see how the analogy of male genital abuse and rape of women is a poor one. Then you ignore that and dismiss that because you want to keep using a twisted, sick analogy. Who knows why.

Finally, no, your author’s terrible analogy didn’t get me to think any more about the pain female victims of rape endure than I had previously. Because it was ineffectual and there was no need to since I already recognized that quite well without you or your cited author’s “help”.

If some sick twisted person inverted your author’s analogy gender you would little doubt see how absurd and sick it really is. If such a fool proposed that because some women don’t “get” how a male victim of rape feels so women should imagine being physical kicked in their most sensitive parts, then they could finally “get” what a male victim of rape has to endure, there is little doubt you would agree with me that that was disgusting, reprehensible and beyond the pale. But you want to stick with your author’s abominable work and analogy. You, it is “obvious”, are the one that doesn’t “get it”.

 

[ChristineM]

Um, I myself said some men don’t get it. I also said the vast majority do.

Have I ever been raped? Wow! Talk about chutzpah. Would you also like to know my credit card numbers, mother’s maiden name and every other personal bit of information about me? Whether I have ever been raped, which is certainly none of your business, is totally irrelevant to the points I made.

Speaking of “obvious”, it is quite clear that you want to misdirect because you can’t refute my points. You admit that male rape is an issue, then glibly and out of hand dismiss it. You concede that I am not the only one to see how the analogy of male genital abuse and rape of women is a poor one. Then you ignore that and dismiss that because you want to keep using a twisted, sick analogy. Who knows why.

Finally, no, your author’s terrible analogy didn’t get me to think any more about the pain female victims of rape endure than I had previously. Because it was ineffectual and there was no need to since I already recognized that quite well without you or your cited author’s “help”.

If some sick twisted person inverted your author’s analogy gender you would little doubt see how absurd and sick it really is. If such a fool proposed that because some women don’t “get” how a male victim of rape feels so women should imagine being physical kicked in their most sensitive parts, then they could finally “get” what a male victim of rape has to endure, there is little doubt you would agree with me that that was disgusting, reprehensible and beyond the pale. But you want to stick with your author’s abominable work and analogy. You, it is “obvious”, are the one that doesn’t “get it”.

i will assume that as a 'no' then, so you speak without experience. And of course failed sarcasm is just that, failed sarcasm. wtf would i want to know your cc number? You are however making comments regarding rape, therefore your experience would help give your comments credibility. As it stands it seems you are just griping about being kicked in tje nuts.

You haven't made any points valid to the discussion however if you do want to start a thread about male rape please feel free to do so.

Well that explains a lot, thanks for being so honest.

 

[Shaul]

i will assume that as a 'no' then, so you speak without experience. And of course failed sarcasm is just that, failed sarcasm. wtf would i want to know your cc number? You are however making comments regarding rape, therefore your experience would help give your comments credibility. As it stands it seems you are just griping about being kicked in tje nuts.

You haven't made any points valid to the discussion however if you do want to start a thread about male rape please feel free to do so.

Well that explains a lot, thanks for being so honest.

Why am I not surprised that the make assumptions which you ineluctably and patently can not know whether they are true? Why would I answer your question when it is “obvious” that you would believe whatever you want anyways? You are being closed minded. Did you even read what I wrote before? “Next it is wrong to think that in order to understand that something is wrong one must either experience or imagine it. That isn’t true.” Apparently you can’t understand what I wrote. Can a person not understand that theft is wrong even if they have never been robbed? Do we not know that murder is evil even if we haven’t known someone that has been murdered, even without “imagining” such things? Do you still not understand that all people of good will already understand that rape is criminal and that it hurts people even without imagining about it? You still don’t “get it” yet you presume to lecture others. That is sad.

 

[Shad]

As i said, a topical situation and highly relevant to the article linked in the op. You dont like it then take it up with the author.

Nope it just undermines the point and makes it easier for people to dismiss those that do as hysterical and projecting.

Not my opinion, remember, i dont care for american politics, its you pushing that agenda.

Nope it was the author you linked. You just do not want to talk about a point the author made.

 

[Stevicus]

So when you say "The "vast majority of men applauding the thread" come off as obsequious sycophants"

Is not calling the vast majority of men applauding the thread obsequious sycophants.

Never mind my reading skills, you need to seriously consider your language, interpersonal and logic abilities.

Look, I don't know what your problem is or why you feel this incessant need to be confrontational, but I'll just leave you alone now.

 

[Revoltingest]

...so disappointing...
I bet u can't even do the rolling R like groundskeeper willie

Argch!
I kin even roll me "O"s, ya spaghetti slurp'n, gelateria haunt'n, Ducati fondler!

 

[ChristineM]

Why am I not surprised that the make assumptions which you ineluctably and patently can not know whether they are true? Why would I answer your question when it is “obvious” that you would believe whatever you want anyways? You are being closed minded. Did you even read what I wrote before? “Next it is wrong to think that in order to understand that something is wrong one must either experience or imagine it. That isn’t true.” Apparently you can’t understand what I wrote. Can a person not understand that theft is wrong even if they have never been robbed? Do we not know that murder is evil even if we haven’t known someone that has been murdered, even without “imagining” such things? Do you still not understand that all people of good will already understand that rape is criminal and that it hurts people even without imagining about it? You still don’t “get it” yet you presume to lecture others. That is sad.

Your opinion, others have applauded the link.

Yet there are still men who know theft is wrong but getting kicked in the nuts hurts and that is the point. If you refuse to equate the comparison that is hardly the fault of the article. So ill ill ignore your straw man but will note, you cannot understand he reason i created this thread... See how that goes?

And yes we know murder is wrong. However a percentage of "men" do not know that sexual abuse is wrong. If "all" men knew it was wrong what do you think would happen to the statistics?

i dont presume anything, you are the one making a big thing of it.

 

[ChristineM]

Nope it just undermines the point and makes it easier for people to dismiss those that do as hysterical and projecting.




Nope it was the author you linked. You just do not want to talk about a point the author made.

Opinion, more people have applauded the link than decried it.

I have told you before, i am not interested in the he said, she said american politics blame game. The point of the article was to raise awareness of rape, it used a topical example which for some reason you would rather gripe about than the main point.

 

[ChristineM]

Look, I don't know what your problem is or why you feel this incessant need to be confrontational, but I'll just leave you alone now.

Actually you know well why i argue with your points, .it is glaringly obvious what you have written and what you deny writing, however if we are done so be it.

 

[Shad]

Opinion, more people have applauded the link than decried it.

Do not care.

I have told you before, i am not interested in the he said, she said american politics blame game. The point of the article was to raise awareness of rape, it used a topical example which for some reason you would rather gripe about than the main point.

I was talking about the misplaced anger as per the article. The article couldn't avoid Kav/Ford. So it was a relevant point to bring up.

I already addressed the nut kicking point. It is something a dolt came up with.

 

[Shaul]

Your opinion, others have applauded the link.

Yet there are still men who know theft is wrong but getting kicked in the nuts hurts and that is the point. If you refuse to equate the comparison that is hardly the fault of the article. So ill ill ignore your straw man but will note, you cannot understand he reason i created this thread... See how that goes?

And yes we know murder is wrong. However a percentage of "men" do not know that sexual abuse is wrong. If "all" men knew it was wrong what do you think would happen to the statistics?

i dont presume anything, you are the one making a big thing of it.

Well you obdurately want to stick to this insane theory that a man that imagines being repeatedly kicked in his testicles would somehow suddenly have an epiphany on how a female rape victim feels. Well, then why not prove it? In prisons across this country there are rapists who don’t “get” how such women feel. So all you need to do is go visit them and explain to them that they need to imagine how it would feel to have their testicles repeatedly kicked. Somehow I don’t think they will respond by having scales of ignorance fall from their eyes, bust out in tears of repentance, and suddenly “get” how rape victims feel. But, hey, I could be wrong, me and the experts that work trying to rehabilitate rapists who haven’t tried your wacky theory. Give a try. Heck, you could win a Nobel Peace Prize if it actually worked! Of course, it won’t. But until you can come back with such proof may I just say this “theory” is ridiculous prattle.

Shalom

 

[ChristineM]

Do not care.

Your problem, not mine.

I was talking about the misplaced anger as per the article. The article couldn't avoid Kav/Ford. So it was a relevant point to bring up.

I already addressed the nut kicking point. It is something a dolt came up with.

What misplaced anger?

 

[ChristineM]

Well you obdurately want to stick to this insane theory that a man that imagines being repeatedly kicked in his testicles would somehow suddenly have an epiphany on how a female rape victim feels. Well, then why not prove it? In prisons across this country there are rapists who don’t “get” how such women feel. So all you need to do is go visit them and explain to them that they need to imagine how it would feel to have their testicles repeatedly kicked. Somehow I don’t think they will respond by having scales of ignorance fall from their eyes, bust out in tears of repentance, and suddenly “get” how rape victims feel. But, hey, I could be wrong, me and the experts that work trying to rehabilitate rapists who haven’t tried your wacky theory. Give a try. Heck, you could win a Nobel Peace Prize if it actually worked! Of course, it won’t. But until you can come back with such proof may I just say this “theory” is ridiculous prattle.

Shalom

Wtf are you whitering about, i did not write the piece so why blame me for your prejudices?

Many thousands on twitter have applauded the article.and the idea. Some few have been derogatory.

Tell me, why are you opposed to the idea of making rape a more undetstood offence. If kicking you in the balls helps to open your eyes i see no problem with that. There are of course some few that consider the message falling on stoney ground.

 

[Estro Felino]

Many thousands on twitter have applauded the article.and the idea. Some few have been derogatory.
.

I've been blocked by Julius Ghost...u can imagine why

 

[ChristineM]

I've been blocked by Julius Ghost...u can imagine why

And your point in mentioning this is?

 

[Estro Felino]

And your point in mentioning this is?

I told him he's the product of a society ruined by the American lesbian-feminist lobby...he's a ball-less beta male that believes in toxic masculinity.

 

[Sunstone]

I told him he's the product of a society ruined by the American lesbian-feminist lobby...he's a ball-less beta male that believes in toxic masculinity.

So you're saying you were blocked by him for parroting the brainless, unsubstantiated claims of the far, radical right?

 

[Shad]

Your problem, not mine.

That isn't a problem. You used a fallacy then missed the point.

What misplaced anger?

The anger of Kav's confirmation as people projected their anger on to the circus.