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Abiogenesis

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Little Dragon

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PureX said:
Nope, it really isn't. But I can see that you will not recognize this.
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It is a testable hypothesis, because the test would be to, in the lab, create living chemical systems starting with non living chemical interactions and processes. Something that has already begun in bio research facilities using in addition to petri dishes, computer modelling software, across the globe.

I don't understand why that is so difficult to understand.

It is testable, the hypothesis can be tested, with the application of the scientific method, do I need hand puppets?

So strange...
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Little Dragon said:
You do not understand how theory works. All scientific theories, are mathematically modeled approximations. The more accurate the prediction, the more reliable the theory. There are no absolutes.
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And you do not seem to grasp the fact that math is just another flawed human language used to help us describe what we experience to ourselves and each other. It is not a magic potion for determining truth. Neither is the scientific process.
 
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Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
PureX said:
And you do not seem to grasp the fact that math is just another flawed human language used to help us describe what we experience to ourselves and each other. It is not a magic potion for determining truth. Neither is the scientific process.
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What?

Math is an abstract language of symbolic quantification. Without data, no mathematical model can be constructed. The evidence, the data, the measurements, the observations, they are what matters. Jeez.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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Colt said:
Early Christianity was a corruption of the religion of Jesus from the very start but that was inevitable! Morman's haven't presented any revelation that adds to Jesus. Jesus warned to beware of false prophets.
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And by that logic, Christianity is a corruption of Judaism, as the Torah also warned against false prophets. Also, from the Mormon perspective, their book did add revelations about Jesus; his wife and family, his visit to America, etc. So I ask again, what makes your religion correct, and those that came before or after wrong, other than the fact that's what you were born into?
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Little Dragon said:
What?

Math is an abstract language of symbolic quantification. Without data, no mathematical model can be constructed. The evidence, the data, the measurements, the observations, they are what matters. Jeez.
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They only matter when they are applicable. And they are often simply not applicable.

What I'm trying to get you to acknowledge is that science is not the only means we humans have for investigating and understanding the true nature of existence.
 
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Little Dragon

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PureX said:
Well, there's philosophy, art, and religion. Psychology, too. We could try those paths of inquiry. Believe it or not, science is not the only means we humans have for investigating the truth of 'what is'.
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You would use art to calculate the speed of light would you? Philosophy to determine the mass of a quark? Religion to determine the orbital period of Venus?

I think not sir.

To investigate, reality, not the abstracts of the human psyche, you absolutely need the scientific method. It's power measured by it's success.
 
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Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
PureX said:
What I'm trying to get you to acknowledge is that science is not the only means we humans have for investigating and understanding the true nature of existence.
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Not going to happen, the scientific method is the only objective means of inquiry, into physical reality. By physical I mean anything that can be measured. Gravity, light, energy, matter, you, me, galaxies, atoms, time, space etc..
 
Colt

Colt

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Father Heathen said:
And by that logic, Christianity is a corruption of Judaism, as the Torah also warned against false prophets. Also, from the Mormon perspective, their book did add revelations about Jesus; his wife and family, his visit to America, etc. So I ask again, what makes your religion correct, and those that came before or after wrong, other than the fact that's what you were born into?
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I believe that something’s true. Not everything believed is true. I have surrendered to the pursuit of “truth” rather than using the diversity of beliefs as an excuse for spiritual laziness. Noncommittal is easy!

I don’t believe a number of claims in the religion that I was born into. I don’t find the story of Mormonism compelling.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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Colt said:
I believe that something’s true. Not everything believed is true. I have surrendered to the pursuit of “truth” rather than using the diversity of beliefs as an excuse for spiritual laziness. Noncommittal is easy!
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Nah, spiritual laziness would be accepting being spoon-fed a prepackaged deal without examining it through an objective and critical lens. It's okay to contrast and compare, weight the logic and evidence, etc. You declared other religions/gods inferior without knowing anything about them. How is that not lazy?
Colt said:
I don’t believe a number of claims in the religion that I was born into. I don’t find the story of Mormonism compelling.
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Likewise I don't find any of the religions compelling.
 
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