Abortion hurts women!

[Spiderman]

You attack a woman deciding whether or not to have an abortion, already emotionally and psychologically vulnerable because of such a circumstance, with psychological scare tactics and outright emotional bullying and yet you're not a coward? Interesting.

I'm trying to discourage the killing of innocent humans by calling homicide what it is. This isn't to shame or bully anyone. I know I would apologize to my slain baby were it my child that Got aborted.

I believe the mother and her slain infant will be friends in Paradise.

 

[Spiderman]

You attack a woman deciding whether or not to have an abortion, already emotionally and psychologically vulnerable because of such a circumstance, with psychological scare tactics and outright emotional bullying and yet you're not a coward? Interesting.

I see no cowardice in trying to get a woman to realize that the baby in her womb is her son/daughter and possibly prevent an abortion.

I see cowardice when I was a leftist and spoke in favor of killing the unborn in the womb.

I was willing to destroy my reputation here to point out killing the unborn is homicide. It would have been cowardly of me to please everyone by not pointing out the fact that Americans kill over a million Americans a year legally. There is something about that which goes against my conscience.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Not usually. I never voted last election btw. I have met many good and disgusting people on the right and left. I sympathize with liberal views.

However, I'm deeply troubled that over a million innocent defenseless Americans are murdered every year legally. My gut and conscience tells me it is very wrong!

I get that you're talking colloquially, rather than legally, but in no way is a fetus "American".
I have no problem with you thinking it's wrong, which is kinda my point. There are lots of things I'm not in favour of, but would still think people should have the right to make their own choice.
Just trying to work out where your lines are, I guess.

 

[SomeRandom]

I see no cowardice in trying to get a woman to realize that the baby in her womb is her son/daughter and possibly prevent an abortion.

It's not the result, it's how you achieve it. Emotionally manipulating a woman who is already under mental duress or psychological turmoil is akin to bullying. You ask any mental health professional if that is healthy, if that helps, and I think you'll find they won't be appreciative of such tactics. Or even call them detrimental. As such, no matter your goal, you are hurting a woman for your own agenda. A woman who might not be able to hold her own as she would normally, due to the mitigating circumstances. Hence you are taking advantage of their vulnerability. To me this is intellectual dishonesty and cowardice. Unless you are doing this to literally every woman you meet. In which case, at least this would mean you'd only be kind of really rude.
Still, bruh, free will and all that.

I see cowardice when I was a leftist and spoke in favor of killing the unborn in the womb.

No one speaks in favour of killing an unborn fetus. Intellectual dishonesty much?
If I say I think smoking should be legal because I am for free will, does that mean I favour smoking? What a ridiculous dichotomy.

I was willing to destroy my reputation here to point out killing the unborn is homicide. It would have been cowardly of me to please everyone by not pointing out the fact that Americans kill over a million Americans a year legally. There is something about that which goes against my conscience.

Hardly. Frame it however you please, you attacked women by presuming to pass judgment upon them like you are God (which I thought was specifically against Christ's teachings?) You presume to know better than a woman, thereby treating her as subhuman, this is not holy. This is not noble. It's acting like a holier than thou jerk just so you can feel like you "made a difference."
Religious justification is a dangerous path to tread. After all, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, is it not?

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm trying to discourage the killing of innocent humans by calling homicide what it is. This isn't to shame or bully anyone. I know I would apologize to my slain baby were it my child that Got aborted.

I believe the mother and her slain infant will be friends in Paradise.

If you believe they end up in paradise, why all the hand wringing? Why even bother to do this crusade of yours? And calling someone a murderer is shaming someone, and shaming someone is bullying.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You defend the killing of a defenseless innocent baby and call me a coward. Interesting

You have yet to show that it is a baby. All you have are your feelings, and that does not merit calling it homicide, murder, or other epithets. The fact is that since "murder" is a legally defined term it is not murder.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I see no cowardice in trying to get a woman to realize that the baby in her womb is her son/daughter and possibly prevent an abortion.

I see cowardice when I was a leftist and spoke in favor of killing the unborn in the womb.

I was willing to destroy my reputation here to point out killing the unborn is homicide. It would have been cowardly of me to please everyone by not pointing out the fact that Americans kill over a million Americans a year legally. There is something about that which goes against my conscience.

And which actions of yours should the rest of us pass judgement on?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You have yet to show that it is a baby. All you have are your feelings, and that does not merit calling it homicide, murder, or other epithets. The fact is that since "murder" is a legally defined term it is not murder.

Even if we wanted to pretend that the fetus is a person, one person has no claim to the body of another.

 

[Polymath257]

It is murder. I'm simply pointing out an obvious fact. If your mother aborted you while you were in the womb you would be dead. I'm willing to be punched in the face for calling murder what it is. I've been punched for much less Noble things.

No, if my mom had an abortion, I would never have lived. That is quite different than being murdered.

A friend of women doesn't convince a mother it is okay to have her children put to death. I realize I'm doing women a greater service by pointing out the obvious facts and possibly persuading one person to avoid killing another human being.

IT ISN'T A CHILD UNTIL IT'S BORN.

I may even grant personhood to a 6 month fetus, but even then the bodily integrity of the woman that fetus is growing in comes first. Otherwise that woman is simply a vessel, a slave, and not someone given the right to control their own body.

 

[Polymath257]

You defend the killing of a defenseless innocent baby and call me a coward. Interesting

IT ISN'T A BABY UNTIL IT'S BORN. That's why we celebrate birthdays, not conception days.

The vast, vast majority of abortions happen well before there is enough of a brain to have any personality, to feel pain, or to do anything other than simple reflexes. And those which come later tend to be due to horrible situations where the abortion is medically necessary for the health of the mother.

 

[Polymath257]

I'm trying to discourage the killing of innocent humans by calling homicide what it is. This isn't to shame or bully anyone. I know I would apologize to my slain baby were it my child that Got aborted.

I believe the mother and her slain infant will be friends in Paradise.

I'm sorry, but this is *exactly* why I despise the whole idea of an afterlife so much. it justifies the kind of crap that the Catholic church tries to sell about abortion and the rights of women.

Let's focus on the real problems of real people here and now and let Paradise take care of itself if it exists at all.

Calling abortion murder of homicide is simply evil. It is a painful decision that many women have to make for many different reasons. It is good for them to have that ability to make the decision. Your pushing your superstitious BS on them to prevent their choice is sickening.

 

[PureX]

Abortion isn't "good" for anyone. But since we have no "good" solution to the problem of an unwanted pregnancy, and abortion is one of the several "bad" solutions women have available to them, it remains a woman's right to choose which "bad" solution she will endure, and no one else's.

If anyone here can show why they should have the right to overrule the pregnant woman's right to make her own choice, please feel free to articulate it, now.

 

[Nakosis]

I'm sure you gentlemen have women's best interests in mind when you wish to restrict their reproductive rights. Men always do make those decisions for women better than women themselves, don't they?

And your notion, PopeADope, that abortion is homicide is ridiculous. If it were so, you'd have to charge every woman who spontaneously aborts with involuntary manslaughter, or something similar to that.

It's not IMO about us men. It's about women having to deal with the aftermath of their own actions. Everyone takes action on a decision they thought was right in the moment only to later deeply regret that action.

The choice shouldn't be seen as an insignificant removal of a parasite. You and I may want to look at it this way to justify the choice women make but that need for us to justify abortion is irrelevant to the actual mental health of a mother who has to deal for the rest of her life with the choice she made.

I'm not saying take choice away but neither should society look at it as a choice without emotional consequence.

 

[David1967]

"Abortion hurts women!"

Yes. Hurts women and kills a child.

 

[Spiderman]

If you believe they end up in paradise, why all the hand wringing? Why even bother to do this crusade of yours? And calling someone a murderer is shaming someone, and shaming someone is bullying.

Because we kill 50 million innocent babies a year roughly worldwide and I believe some of them deserved a shot at life and I believe murder is a serious sin against God and that he punishes the world for it.

I don't agree with God's treatment of people and am a bit angry at God, but still I believe each of those 50 million babies had an immortal soul, deserved a chance at life, and see something seriously wrong with a culture that convinces people it's okay to kill their children.

It's the principal of the matter.

 

[oldbadger]

The most comprehensive and largest study of the mental health risks associated with abortion,was published on September 1, 2011, in the prestigious British Journal of Psychiatry.The study was a meta-analysis that examined 22 other studies that had been published between 1995 and 2009.[1] The study involved 877,181 women – 163,831 of whom had abortions.

Here’s what the study found:

Women who have had an abortion have an 81% higher risk of subsequent mental health problems compared to women who have not had an abortion.

Women who aborted have a 138% higher risk of mental health problems compared to women who have given birth.

Women who aborted have a 55% higher risk of mental health problems compared to women with an “unplanned” pregnancy who gave birth.

Women with a history of abortion have higher rates of anxiety (34% higher), depression (37%), alcohol use/misuse (110%), marijuana use (230%), and suicidal behavior (155%) compared to those who have not had abortions.

[Dr. Coleman’s meta-analysis excluded studies that were potentially biased or weak. The meta analysis only included studies that were published in peer reviewed journals, had at least 100 women participating, controlled for prior history of mental health or abuse (that could have skewed the results), and compared women to those who had not had abortions with those who had abortions.]
Abortion Hurts Women – Illinois Right to Life

If you are a mother considering having your child slaughtered please at least give the child a name and apologize to him/her for having him/her murdered. The spirit of your slain son/daughter still lives and one day you will be reunited.

I dated a girl who had names for her two aborted children and she was in a lot of psychological conflict and torment over a decision she could never reverse. Women aren't stupid! Their instincts will let them know they severely went against their maternal nature by having their children slain. A nation that kills it's own children is a nation without hope. If you're reading this, then your mother never aborted you. I'm sorry, I love liberals and will likely lose any liberal friends I had at RF as a result of this thread, but homicide is homicide.

Homicide is the act of one human killing another.[1] A homicide requires only a volitional act by another person that results in death, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.
Homicide - Wikipedia

To think women are stupid enough to not realize they are having their child murdered is a severe insult to the intelligence of women! To think this won't cause the wounded mother trauma, guilt, regret, and internal conflict is extremely ridiculous.

If you had an abortion, I love you, God loves you, and your aborted child loves you and forgives you. If you are liberal, I feel you. I used to be pro-choice as one can get. I started a previous thread titled "Abortion is beautiful". I told my pro-life mother she should have aborted me. I have lived in jails and mental institutions with murderers, gangsters, junkies, pedophiles, and hoodlums, that I feel would have been better off aborted. I feel it is the lesser of two evils to have a child with HIV, fetal alcohol syndrome, or various other disabilities aborted, but homicide is homicide regardless.

What bothers me most is not the death of the child. The child dies and is spared the agony of life. It is the pain and grief it causes the mother who went against her maternal instincts to have her own child, the fruit of her womb, slaughtered, that bothers me the most. Realizing the pain, trauma, and mental health issues abortion causes women is what bothers me the most as well as how sick it is for society to approve of such madness!

A nation which legalizes homicide and kills it's innocent children is a nation without hope! I love you liberals and I feel you. I'm sorry but I had to speak the obvious truth here. God bless you!

And it is in the instincts and nature of a mother to realize this!

QUESTIONS! (Only 2)
Are you in support of Whole-Life care + any daily Nursing, medicare, education and any necessary surgery costs for all persons born disabled? You and your countryfolk will be funding this whole-life service out of your tax dollars for every single disabled person..

Are you in support of Whole Term Infant and Junior Medicare and Education to the age of, say, 18yrs for every child born in your country. You will be funding this with your tax dollars.

Obviously you do want to support the above because it is a natural part of Pro-Life support.

A Yes or a No for each question w ould be fine.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because we kill 50 million innocent babies a year roughly worldwide and I believe some of them deserved a shot at life and I believe murder is a serious sin against God and that he punishes the world for it.

How about treating women like brood mares? How about denying them rights we even grant to corpses? Your god is okay with that?

 

[Spiderman]

QUESTIONS! (Only 2)
Are you in support of Whole-Life care + any daily Nursing, medicare, education and any necessary surgery costs for all persons born disabled? You and your countryfolk will be funding this whole-life service out of your tax dollars for every single disabled person..

Are you in support of Whole Term Infant and Junior Medicare and Education to the age of, say, 18yrs for every child born in your country. You will be funding this with your tax dollars.

Obviously you do want to support the above because it is a natural part of Pro-Life support.

A Yes or a No for each question w ould be fine.

Yes to all the questions.
If abortion was limited to rape, incest, and saving the mother's life it would not trouble me much.
But I don't think God is okay with killing an innocent baby because someone got raped.
Me and God disagree on that one.

 

[Spiderman]

You have yet to show that it is a baby. All you have are your feelings, and that does not merit calling it homicide, murder, or other epithets. The fact is that since "murder" is a legally defined term it is not murder.

Just look at a picture of an unborn child in various stages of development. You were once an unborn baby in your mother's womb.

Killing 50 million of these infants a year is going to have disastrous consequences, for I'm convinced that sin hurts our world. I guess for those who don't believe in God, I can see why you have no issue with it.

I'm completely convinced in the existence of God and it goes against my conscience to be passive about the killing of this many humans and what it will mean for the mother's mind and soul, our culture, and our world!

 

[kiwimac]

At what point does a fetus become a human being?

At first breath.