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Abortion

Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
UltraViolet said:
Kathryn,

Just because you can come up with some other example of a question,
is no reason not to answer the example put forth in the OP.

As we answer questions that challenge the boundaries
of what we believe/profess
we come to a better understanding of our own Selves,
our own thinking/thought process
and perhaps examine what we already think we know
in more depth.
Only to find that there is considerably more to consider
than we first considered.
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UV,

I wasn't avoiding answering the question in the OP. I was simply making the valid point that people will use the worst case hypothetical examples to usher in legislation which generally doesn't even apply to those examples.

But I'll humor you. I DO believe that an abortion would probably be the best outcome of the rape and pregnancy of a nine year old. Why? Because having a baby would probably kill or maim a nine year old girl, so it's a case of self defense - not simply abortion for convenience' sake.

Abortion to safeguard the life of the mother, and also in the case of rape, was already legal in many states before Roe vs Wade by the way.
 
Neophyte

Neophyte

Miranda Kerr Worship
Mestemia said:
Really?
Then whose body is it?
Not talking about the parasitic being with in her body, talking about the girls right to make decisions about her own body.

We are talking about a human life that she has no right to kill...plain and simple

Seems to me you are attempting to strawman.

No strawman, baby...

So the girls body is no longer hers while she is pregnant?
It is actually the fetuses?

Her body is hers, the baby is not. (The baby is her child but not her body)

Actually it is not a baby.
It is a fetus.

It is a living human soul. No one has a right to kill it no matter what they want to call it.

Putting aside your appeal to emotion, please present evidence that a fetus is able to understand the question, the answers, and the consequences associated for each answer.

No all mentally retarded people can understand or answer all these things, should we just kill them too? The simple answer here is there is no need for the baby to have the ability to answer this or comprehende these things to have a right to live.

And?
I mean, it is not like anyone is ever free of having morals pushed on them.
What makes the fetus so special?
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Everyone has a right to live unles they take someone elses right to live or some horrific thing like rape.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Neophyte said:
We are talking about a human life that she has no right to kill...plain and simple
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One, it is not plain and simple or it would not be so heavily debated.
Second, presenting your opinion as fact does not help your argument.
Three, who says she has no right to kill it?

Neophyte said:
No strawman, baby...
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One, I am not your baby.
Two, it most definitely looks like a strawman to me.
Three, it is not a baby, it is a fetus.
Four, appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy.


Neophyte said:
Her body is hers, the baby is not. (The baby is her child but not her body)
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What baby, or are you still trying to pull the appeal to emotion tactic?
So she gets no say over her body because the fetus has rights that trumps hers?

Neophyte said:
It is a living human soul.
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Define soul.
Show that your definition of soul exists.


Neophyte said:
No one has a right to kill it no matter what they want to call it.
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Says who?


Neophyte said:
No all mentally retarded people can understand or answer all these things, should we just kill them too?
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Mentally retarded people are not fetuses.
Nice try though.

Neophyte said:
The simple answer here is there is no need for the baby to have the ability to answer this or comprehende these things to have a right to live.
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There is when you are making claims of what the FETUS is thinking, feeling, etc.

Neophyte said:
Everyone has a right to live unles they take someone elses right to live or some horrific thing like rape.
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Says who?
 
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*Deleted*

Member
It's a woman's body. That really should be end of the discussion. If males got pregnant, I don't think there would be all this abortion debate. Really, I don't think there would be.

There's not too much debate on dropping bombs on live people. Males tend to do that with gusto.
And those people are well-formed. Some are children out playing. They just happen to be "in the way" of "national interests."
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Clare said:
It's a woman's body. That really should be end of the discussion. If males got pregnant, I don't think there would be all this abortion debate. Really, I don't think there would be.

There's not too much debate on dropping bombs on live people. Males tend to do that with gusto.
And those people are well-formed. Some are children out playing. They just happen to be "in the way" of "national interests."
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It is rather interesting and ironic how those who claim to be "pro-life" often support wars and capital punishment.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
The Sum of Awe said:
Let's say a 9 year old girl was raped and her mom died earlier than this, her dad was a poor, drunk. The girl had nobody else but her dad in that poor hillbilly place. Let's say her dad was a farmer who lived in a town by other farmers. One day while her dad went to milk the cows, one of the neighbors raped her, and nine months later she was pregnant.

Would it be fine for her to get an abortion?
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No, Never. :)

_/\_
Chinu
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
In a world where condoms and safe sex education are a realistic alternative - being in favor of making abortion illegal instead of actually doing things that would reduce the occurrence of abortions says volumes about what the pro-life movement is really about. It's not actually opposed to abortion. It's followers are opposed to sexual liberation and have caught on to abortion as an easy way to appease their need to be sanctimonious about other people's sexuality.

If they were actually opposed to abortion they would take their time, money and passion and pour it into promoting safe sex education and social justice, since study after study shows that these things actually reduce the occurrence of abortions, while making them illegal does not.

Simple logic: If you oppose safe sex education you are pro-abortion.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
ssainhu said:
Can you explain why you feel this way?
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Because in their previous births, this 9 year old girl was a neighberour, and the neighberour was a girl, and he has raped her, and she has to bear lot of difficulties during whole life time, due to this. :)

I know this topic is based on just " Let's-Say "

But --- not only "The sum of Awe", Chinu too can say "Let's-Say", Let's-Say :shrug:

:D: "Tho shalt you sow, so shall you reap"

_/\_
Chinu
 
Songbird

Songbird

She rules her life like a bird in flight
That's the first I've heard of reincarnation as a reason to withhold justice.
 
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