Do you know of any modern human society that forces organ donation?
Once that fetus is born and grows into an adult human being that is intelligent, feels pain, and clearly expresses the desire to live, we don't force that person's mother to provide him with the use of her organs or tissues then. What's so special about a fetus that you think that it's entitled to the use of her organs and tissues while in the womb?
You argue that we should treat fetuses like people? Well, people aren't entitled to the use of another person's body without that person's continuous consent.
Even if we grant fetuses all the rights of people, we're still left in a pro-choice position. Arguing for any restriction on abortion can only be justified if fetuses have rights way beyond those of a typical person or pregnant women have rights way less than a typical person.
... less than a corpse, in fact, since even corpses have the right to bodily security: even if a person's organs would save multiple lives, if the person refused to donate them before death, we honour that wish after death.
I've never seen any anti-choice (and I use that term deliberately) advocate argue that fetuses are "super-beings" who are entitled to more rights than normal people, so what you and others who share your position are really arguing for is the devaluation of pregnant women to the point where you would refuse them rights we even grant to corpses.
"all the rights of people?"
C'mon. The rights any person has depends greatly upon law, and culture...and ability to exercise those rights. Nobody argues that a newborn infant has the same rights to self determination that a human adult has. I am arguing for just one right: the right to attempt to survive, and not be killed for the crime of succeeding at that survival.
I also argue that any pregnancy nowadays IS invited and permission for the fetus to live within the womb IS given when the man and woman involved have consensual sex, especially if the very, VERY effective contraceptive methods available to them are not used, or not used properly. That is, after all, the purpose of sex.
Indeed, everything about sex is about procreation and the protection of children, isn't it? ....and no, this isn't religion speaking. It's cold blooded 'science' talking.
Sex for us is fun. Unlike pretty much any other species, we have sex whenever....and women don't advertise their fertile times anywhere near as blatantly as other animals on the planet.
I have read the arguments that sex is for increasing closeness between partners, because it's fun, because it provides pleasure, because....and every single argument is about keeping the pair together. Why? Because human pregnancy causes problems for the woman. She's not quite as able to provide, physically, for herself. She NEEDS the male to stick around to help her out. So...sex is fun for the man. In order to GET sex, he sticks around so that she can have the babies and be more successful in raising them to an age at which they can provide for themselves, and human childhood is very long, compared to almost every other species around.
So, no matter what, sex is about kids. Making them, protecting them, keeping the parents together so that they will be saver and better provided for. Doesn't matter whether there are any kids actually included, that's what SCIENCE says sex was evolved for.
Now, of course, we can prevent unwanted pregnancy. Indeed, it's not that hard to prevent pregnancy. Use more than one contraceptive method, use them correctly, and the odds are extremely low that pregnancy will ensue.
So....if the couple is stupid or irresponsible or just incredibly unlucky (along the lines of getting eaten by a shark while being struck by lightning in a wading pool...in Kansas..), then a new human life is created, and installed in the system expressly designed to nurture it for its first nine months. How is it the fault of the FETUS that its parents 'goofed?" Since when is it a capital crime to be the victim of someone ELSE'S "oops?"
No, I'm all for 'choice.' I just think that choice needs to be made BEFORE one chooses to have sex.
(disclaimer, because I can see it coming....please note the use of 'consensual' and 'choose." Rape is neither one, and is a very different discussion)
There. end of rant.
