About fossils -- would you say this is true?

[F1fan]

No offence but the millisecond I read this two seagulls started laughing outside my French doors. I like to believe happenings like this are messages from God as I observe the supernatural a lot.

So what is the difference between theory and guesswork?

A 7th grade education. That's when I learned about theories in science and how the scientific method works. You're admitting to lack basic science knowledge, but want to chime in about science?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Coz seagulls don't laugh?

All they can say is "Mine. Mine. Mine..."

 

[YoursTrue]

Right, and no God involved either in creation of the universe or life on earth. Science is unrolling it bit by bit.

Are there any particles or just waves? At times like particle, at other times like waves.

Are there any particles or just waves? At times like particle, at other times like waves.

OK, so you don't believe there is a God involved. That's your belief and that of many others. I find the musings of these (scientific) philosophers incredible; they keep arguing among themselves as I read about them turn over their thinking, etc., and I'm glad I looked into it. There is no "science unrolling it." It still and simply cannot be explained period. Granted, you and others may think otherwise, that is obviously the way it is. Cellular structure can be seen, DNA is analyzed, but -- nobody can and possibly never will say how it all started. As far as that is concerned, it no longer matters to me, these discussions have virtually taken away any curiosity about it. So -- have a good one, as the expression goes! Thank you.

 

[YoursTrue]

I could explain it but I need some sort of sign of honesty. The problem is that if I explained you could not understand. You would simply deny, which is not an honest way to debate. If someone gives you evidence you have to do more than deny.

But I could post a photograph that refutes your idea of moving sediments or however you want to phrase it.

I already saw photographs of layers, so thanks for that. It doesn't prove that the sediments didn't move from other places due to flooding or earthquake, etc.

 

[F1fan]

Since I wasn't there when these cellular meetings occurred,

There were no such meetings.

since it seems atomic structure is complicated enough, and because the Bible says that the various types of life such as plants and animals were created by God in sequence

The Bible is irrelevant, and both creation accounts are factually incorrect.

(and I suspect that scientists don't know beyond trying to figure it out theoretically either in terms of the real lowdown on what happened to produce plants and animals) I leave it there.

Your assessment is irrelevant since you have no working knowledge over exverts in science. Rational minds defer to expertise, not lay people.

I am a bit taken by gravity, since no one really r-e-a-l-l-y knows (from what I have read about it) what gravity is -- but we believe it (gravity) is there --

No we don't. We KNOW gravity is real. Belief is uncertain. We believe when we can't verify something is factual.

and since a well known scientist like Stephen Hawking seemed to have said that gravity was there before the universe, all I can say is -- ok -- (whatever...)

Gravity is tied to matter. What's the problem?

I still choose to believe the biblical account that God's power caused life as we know it to appear on the earth after He prepared the earth to sustain human, animal, and plant life. Hope that helps to explain my view.

It's a bad choice given the lack of evidence, and how the Genesis accounts are contrary to fact. Science actually shows its work as being based on facts and data. Religion can't.

 

[YoursTrue]

I agree with you, Yours True, that abiogenesis in connected to evolution. Actually abiogenesis also is evolution - from molecules to self-replicating chains of molecules (RNA and DNA) and then to living beings.

Let's see if @Subduction Zone agrees with that, since he always points out to me that abiogenesis is not evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I already saw photographs of layers, so thanks for that. It doesn't prove that the sediments didn't move from other places due to flooding or earthquake, etc.

Actually it does prove that could not hapoen.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's see if @Subduction Zone agrees with that, since he always points out to me that abiogenesis is not evolution.

You need to learn the difference between a theory and a hypothesis. Do you think that you can do that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am feeling a bit generous. Evolution itself, does not rely on abiogenesis. I don't know why some people have this strange belief that God can create a man but he cannot create single celled life. The fact is that right now abiogenesis is by far the most likely answer to the origin of life on Earth. We do have scientific evidence for it. There are still two or three unanswered main questions of abiogenesis. So as a result I would no quite say that we know abiogenesis is the source. Evolution on the other hand is a known fact. Even if the most unlikely scenario of a God magically poofing the first organism into existence we know that evolution occurred after that.

 

[YoursTrue]

Are there any particles or just waves? At times like particle, at other times like waves.

Who knows, and who cares? I'll let scientists figure it out. If they can.

 

[YoursTrue]

You need to learn the difference between a theory and a hypothesis. Do you think that you can do that?

I'll let @Aupmanyav hopefully discuss that with you with regard to abiogenesis and evolution.

 

[YoursTrue]

I am feeling a bit generous. Evolution itself, does not rely on abiogenesis. I don't know why some people have this strange belief that God can create a man but he cannot create single celled life. The fact is that right now abiogenesis is by far the most likely answer to the origin of life on Earth. We do have scientific evidence for it. There are still two or three unanswered main questions of abiogenesis. So as a result I would no quite say that we know abiogenesis is the source. Evolution on the other hand is a known fact. Even if the most unlikely scenario of a God magically poofing the first organism into existence we know that evolution occurred after that.

That is so nice you are feeling a bit generous. -)) I'm feeling a bit not so generous because I do hope @Aupmanyav can explain more about that point. Maybe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is so nice you are feeling a bit generous. -)) I'm feeling a bit not so generous because I do hope @Aupmanyav can explain more about that point. Maybe.

At best he will merely have another opinion.

Can you tell my why you think that it is possible for a God to poof a man into existence by magic, but cannot poor a single living cell into existence with magic?

 

[Aupmanyav]

At best he will merely have another opinion.

You do not seem to value my enlightened opinions very highly.

Can you tell my why you think that it is possible for a God to poof a man into existence by magic, but cannot poor a single living cell into existence with magic?

God cannot, because it does not exist.

I find the musings of these (scientific) philosophers incredible; they keep arguing among themselves as I read about them turn over their thinking, etc., and I'm glad I looked into it.

Arguments, discussions are creators of knowledge. I am happy that religions like Hinduism and Buddhism do not discourage them unlike religions which believe that all knowledge is in their books.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You do not seem to value my enlightened opinions very highly.

God cannot, because it does not exist.

Arguments, discussions are creators of knowledge. I am happy that religions like Hinduism and Buddhism do not discourage them unlike religions which believe that all knowledge is in their books.

I do value your opinion. No disrespect intended. It was merely a prediction that your opinion would not be very different from mine.

And I do not believe in God either. I brought God up more as a thought experiment. If there is a God he could have started life as a single cell, if he existed and life could not begin on its own. That would have been a rather inelegant start to life. But at least that god would not need to be a lying God.

 

[Audie]

I already saw photographs of layers, so thanks for that. It doesn't prove that the sediments didn't move from other places due to flooding or earthquake, etc.

Everyone with a clue is aware of erosion and deposition, even if rhey, like you, don't know what it's called.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I understand the concept of evolution

You do not. You wouldn't keep repeating the same mistakes ad nauseum if you did....

How many times have I corrected your "...but they remain X!!" nonsense?

No person who understands the basics of evolution would make such trivial errors.

Your entire case is build on nothing but willfull ignorance.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So what is the difference between theory and guesswork?

Scientific theory addresses sets of facts / laws and makes testable predictions.

 

[Apostle John]

Scientific theory addresses sets of facts / laws and makes testable predictions.

You have no facts to test. You can only guess about creation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have no facts to test. You can only guess about creation.

No. We have endless facts. If you are willing to learn the basics of science I will gladly go over them with you.