About fossils -- would you say this is true?

[gnostic]

It means nothing of the sort. It means I will believe what I have evidence for, and withhold belief for unevidenced claims.
Science believes nothing without evidence. The most celebrated scientists in the world could all make a claim, but it would be rejected if it were no objective evidence supporting it.
Science is all about evidence; not opinion, authority, common sense, comfort or convenience.

I would also add to your list - “not personal preference or likes”.

Evidence are not dependent on anyone’s personal liking.

creationists seemed to think “I don’t like this theory because it doesn’t agree with my religion”. It’s a stupid mentality, but I have never heard of brilliant creationists in sciences.

Even creationists with scientific experience, like Michael Behe, is unscientific and illogical at times, because he allowed his personal religious convictions to hinder his works, resorting to apologetic tactics & excuses.

 

[Audie]

I would also add to your list - “not personal preference or likes”.

creationists seemed to think “I don’t like this theory because it doesn’t agree with my religion”. It’s a stupid mentality, but I have never heard of brilliant creationists.

Creationism is for the trailer park
crowd. The people in the low rungs of
social / income / education ladder.

Especially education.

As so well exempliied by our
friends on this thread

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, it came from my own mind. I am an independent thinker. Reputable scientists are open to research and not close minded to perceptions that undermine their own research. But I will tell you that the fossils found are generally more robust and larger then the skeletons of today's creatures. And this would imply STRONGER and longer lives than anything we witness today. And for me that reveals that nature is devolving, more sickly, and physically inferior to what it once was. You are the one with tunnel vision because you've missed so much listening to the dissertations of somewhat clueless agnostics.

Weird how something that "came from your own mind" sounds exactly like the same old tired old creationist arguments we've seen all over these forums and creationist sites for years now.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I believe GOD's Word. I'm certainly not the one concluding that GOD is a liar. Men of science developed their own labels over time. They were and are an inventive way of establishing a sort of library, but it's not written in stone as some would have us think.

How did you determine that the Bible is "God's word?"

The evidence for evolution is all around us. So if you think that "God's word" says that there is no evolution, then you'd be the one calling God a liar, for leaving all those old looking fossils around for us to discover that the earth is billions of years old when it actually isn't.

 

[SkepticThinker]

JESUS CHRIST! Jesus treated as historical fact the accounts in the Old Testament, which religious and atheistic skeptics think are unbelievable mythology. Such historical accounts include Adam and Eve as the first married couple (Matthew 19:3–6; Mark 10:3–9), Abel as the first prophet who was killed (Luke 11:50–51), Noah and the Flood (Matthew 24:38–39), Moses and the serpent in the wilderness (John 3:14), Moses and the manna from heaven to feed the Israelites in the wilderness (John 6:32–33, 49), the experiences of Lot and his wife (Luke 17:28–32), the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah (Matthew 10:15), the miracles of Elijah (Luke 4:25–27), and Jonah and the big fish (Matthew 12:40–41). Jesus did not allegorize these accounts but took them as straightforward history, describing events that occurred just as the Old Testament describes. Jesus used these accounts to teach His disciples that the events of His death, Resurrection, and Second Coming would likewise certainly happen in time-space reality.

That doesn't answer the question. All you've done here is tell us what stories are in the Bible. Nothing to show that it's "God's word" though.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm the CHRISTIAN and you are not. If you are willing to discuss things with me then you must be willing to accept the FACT that I believe in GOD and that HIS WORD is inerrant and YOU clearly do not. What you wish to believe is of no consequence to me. If you have a question, I will politely provide you with a biblical answer. If I have a quest for you, you may answer if you care to; otherwise, I will not be communicating with you. The HOLY SPIRIT helps me with my biblical understanding and clearly HE doesn't communicate with you at this time.

It's not a fact that "God's word" is inerrant, or that you are in communication with the "HOLY SPIRIT." Unless you can demonstrate that, nobody here is going to accept it. Just saying so, doesn't make it so.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Baloney, baloney, baloney! You don't believe in Jesus Christ because to you HE was/is nothing but a myth. You are corrupt and you are judging people not with GOD's Word but with YOUR opinion, values, and the opinions of scientists who seek only to gratify their own views to satisfy their own accomplishments and that of their colleagues. You are nothing but a modern version of a Sadducee.

YOU don't believe Moses existed. YOU don't believe the FLOOD happened. YOU call the Bible at best an allegory and at worse a myth! Then YOU have the audacity to label me a blasphemer, an idolater, and a liar. You are digging your own grave. I'm certainly on the LORD's side and not yours. And theories have and do change but the GOD's Holy Word remains the same.

Prove it.

 

[gnostic]

So, you don't expect to die? The fact that you will one day die makes GOD depraved? Will you die because GOD is depraved or because you are?

what is depraved is that God had Job’s children kill, OVER A WAGER with Satan. That show God is not worth of respect, let alone worship, because God is just arrogant and petty as Satan. They are just different faces on the same coin: sadist autocrat.

Are you willing to put wager on your son’s or daughter’s life? Will you honor your bet should you lose?

 

[gnostic]

How is the Word of GOD a graven image. Graven images are man made statues and Idols (I'm not Catholic) that try to represent what GOD is and are worshipped as such. Is it possible to idolize the Bible? The answer is a resounding, “No.” Prioritizing the Bible is far from idolatry. Prioritizing the Bible is prioritizing God's voice to us, and thus God himself. GOD wrote the 10 Commandments not Moses. Michelangelo carved the Pieta' to represent his own ideal.

if you treat the bible as holy and inerrant, then you are actually worshiping an idol, the Bible.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So, I challenge you to read/study through the ENTIRE BIBLE. Science is no more scientific than the scientists involved.

We've all done that already.

 

[SkepticThinker]

"WE?" Clearly you are pretentious ---please speak for yourself.

This isn't our first day on this forum, buddy. We've seen those old claims before.

And just how do you differ? Your opinion is not fixed? You've been able to create biological life in a test-tube? YES or NO? I don't understand why you don't go to some atheistic forum to enjoy a Mutual Admiration Society among your kin.

Our opinion is driven by the evidence. We don't care where you think we should be hanging out. We're here. Got any decent argument to present?

 

[SkepticThinker]

No they would not. They reject GOD and want nothing to do with HIS existence.

Um no. There are many people who believe in God and also accept that evolution is a fact of life.
You're confusing "atheist" with "evolutionist." They're not the same.

A return to normalcy without any mention of GOD.

Doesn't address what was said.

The West Coast is presently experiencing a MAJOR Hurricane after well over 25 years with a preponderance of rain after a year of rain and years of devastating droughts. At the very same time they have an earthquake with major aftershocks. Century old landmark Stores in LA and San Francisco are beginning to close after marauding gangs rampage smash'n grab -- stealing everything. To top it off the northwest is burning and creating the most unhealthy air conditions in literally ages. Canada's wildfires show no sign of ending anytime soon with the City of Yellowknife is being evacuated. Over 100 citizens of Maui burned to a crisp. The war between Russia and the Ukraine proceeds, and the Russians provide North Korea with the capacity to launch nuclear missiles capable of hitting the United States. Giant Food Store loses over $500,000 after it takes extraordinary precautions to stop theft in the only supermarket in Washington DC. The store likely will close. All of this is happening all at once and is growing exponentially especially in LIBERAL areas that seem oblivious to GOD or HIS influence--- yet seen to be entirely without control over anything. However, the gays can marry, drag queens can read to kindergarten children, women may get all the abortions that they wish, the transgender may use any bathroom or participate in any gender sport or be called "IT," as they so wish. All is so right with the world....

I firmly believe Creation's GOD is providing warning after warning, but the liberal mind just is oblivious to anything and everything not connected with personal fun and enjoyment regardless of the consequences. Their mantra remains, "There's not proof of GOD. Duh!!!" What will be will be ---- it's spelled out in the Bible for those who care to read it.

And now you're equating "lilberals" with "atheists."
Dude, you're all over the map, and not making any sense.

People have been making end times predictions since Jesus walked the earth. I'll take yours with the grain of salt it deserves.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

if you treat the bible as holy and inerrant, then you are actually worshiping an idol, the Bible.

It's common for Evangelical and fundamentalist Christians put the Bible on an idolatrous pedestal, like Muslims do with the Qur'an. It's one of their biggest hypocrisies, imo. The Bible itself says that Jesus is the Word of God, not the Bible.

 

[Little Nipper]

You should never accuse others of having a close mind when yours is shut tight against reason. He is innocent of the false charges that you raise and worse yet do you remember the parable about the man picking at the mote in his neighbor's eye? You are the one with a beam in yours.

You know nothing about my past. You don't even know how old I am. I love science shows and frankly the one thing all secular science shows have in common is that the presentation is all about THEM.

What presuppositions do you think that he has? But if you want a reason why, when it comes to the sciences his work and yours do not.

GOD doesn't exist.

 

[Little Nipper]

So you should be able to fly, right?

On a plane, in a balloon, with a kite ----- absolutely.

 

[Little Nipper]

It's common for Evangelical and fundamentalist Christians put the Bible on an idolatrous pedestal, like Muslims do with the Qur'an. It's one of their biggest hypocrisies, imo. The Bible itself says that Jesus is the Word of God, not the Bible.

What we know about sin, salvation, and the CHRIST are all found in the Bible. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” John 10:27.
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book”
—Revelation 22:18-19 Jesus said, “the Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35) Matthew 4:4, “he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” In stating “It is written,” the Lord used the exact same phrase that is used in the Holy Bible forty six times.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The West Coast is presently experiencing a MAJOR Hurricane after well over 25 years with a preponderance of rain after a year of rain and years of devastating droughts. At the very same time they have an earthquake with major aftershocks. Century old landmark Stores in LA and San Francisco are beginning to close after marauding gangs rampage smash'n grab -- stealing everything. To top it off the northwest is burning and creating the most unhealthy air conditions in literally ages. Canada's wildfires show no sign of ending anytime soon with the City of Yellowknife is being evacuated. Over 100 citizens of Maui burned to a crisp. The war between Russia and the Ukraine proceeds, and the Russians provide North Korea with the capacity to launch nuclear missiles capable of hitting the United States. Giant Food Store loses over $500,000 after it takes extraordinary precautions to stop theft in the only supermarket in Washington DC. The store likely will close. All of this is happening all at once and is growing exponentially especially in LIBERAL areas that seem oblivious to GOD or HIS influence--- yet seen to be entirely without control over anything. However, the gays can marry, drag queens can read to kindergarten children, women may get all the abortions that they wish, the transgender may use any bathroom or participate in any gender sport or be called "IT," as they so wish. All is so right with the world....

Wow! And obviously, nothing bad at all is happening in more conservative areas, right? You didn't cherry pick, you tried to be fair and representative, right?

Um, quickie question -- in what counties (liberal or conservative) do most tornadoes happen?

Stats: the states suffering the most from hurricanes are: Florida, Texas, North Carolina, Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi. Which of these would you say are Red states versus Blue states?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

On a plane, in a balloon, with a kite ----- absolutely.

Oooh! Aren't you clever. If you have another one, we could rub those 2 pieces of dry wit together and maybe even achieve a little spark.

Did you train in missing the point altogether, or is it a natural gift?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What we know about sin, salvation, and the CHRIST are all found in the Bible. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” John 10:27.
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book”
—Revelation 22:18-19 Jesus said, “the Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35) Matthew 4:4, “he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” In stating “It is written,” the Lord used the exact same phrase that is used in the Holy Bible forty six times.

Yes, you worship the Bible. I see that.

 

[Little Nipper]

Um no. There are many people who believe in God and also accept that evolution is a fact of life.
You're confusing "atheist" with "evolutionist." They're not the same.

There are many people who disregard the Bible and Jesus Christ. Does that make them correct?

Doesn't address what was said.

It addressed what you asked of me.

And now you're equating "lilberals" with "atheists."
Dude, you're all over the map, and not making any sense.

They are birds of a feather. Liberals are liberal because they feel that they know what is better for them and are worldly. Atheists are atheists because they are worldly and wish to do whatever they enjoy.

People have been making end times predictions since Jesus walked the earth. I'll take yours with the grain of salt it deserves.

I don't listen to "people". I listen to Jesus and what HE revealed.