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Abraham speaks to me...

Spiderman

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Abraham tells me....it's probably not me....but damaged minds like yours are who bullies prey upon, so a few miracles and coincidences, you know it's someone...it's Abe of course. ;) , who call themselves God....

Maybe Abraham Lincoln , and he has an emancipation proclamation, saying, "I should have abolished slavery", before he listened to the voice that he thought was telling him to rape one and kick her to the desert to die of thirst , with her son?

Maybe not rape, but sex with a man who doesn't love you if he's giving her a death sentence very agonizing shortly afterwards, most women are having sex they cannot consent to with men who love them that much....there are exceptions....was there signs of a good voice telling someone to do that, or maybe a bully taking advantage...most will not decide to kill their child, to please a friend that shouldn't be joking or testing like that?

Yes, you never know who a voice is....and nobody asks "Abraham, giving his wife Sarah away, like she was up for grabs, because there is a small chance someone might scratch him if he says "She's my wife" , and run off with him, there is a possibility God doesn't have him or his wife's back......so, he doesn't trust God, doesn't love Sarah,

So, he has the ability to discern who the voice was telling him to kill the only Jewish child on the planet, burn him as a holocaust human sacrifice, not tell him he was just kidding until the last minute, not discern that friends don't joke with their friends like that until the child has what he thinks is a near fatal cult sacrifice experience, with something long before planet earth, a galaxy far far away, in the city that prays to bulls on the moon, and Aliens???

There may have been a first God....he/she may have died or been dethroned, before this planet was ever made, and lots of spirits filling that office with the name "I am" (Yahweh means "I am"), the name that came to Moses on Mount Sin (Sinai). Why didn't Moses ask "I am Moses....and you are who? I am who? Sam I am, do you like Green eggs and ham?"
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
.... and they both think a man should be rewarded for taking a joke seriously, or that it is how people prove they love each other, ...If Abraham was a noble man, and you believe so, he would see that people who descend from him, are still causing the bigotry and violence, that Pagans and Hindus don't come close to, and finally say what Hirohito said, "I'm going to as the Emperor do what they or God can shoot me for, what the high priest is not allowed to do, announce the surrender that they my own people are shooting each other over, so they can die honorable with more nukes, rather than dishonor of surrender, let them know that being Divine does not mean honorable."

There is repeated examples, the spirit Abraham was under the influence of, was taking advantage of someone he knew would believe him, in a city where the largest structure was to the bull that beat JFK's Apollo program to the moon. He could work miracles too. ;)

Japan discovered the holy trinity before christianity....three Deities who prayed to each other were one....and they realized "Kami" is spirit, demonic and nice at the same time , and keep changing, but never change, are more than one, are one, there is no Kami but Kami, and they cannot properly be explained, and more and more new words and growth in understanding leave an inability to measure or translate....

....and can never be trusted, so the only Dogma is "Dog, and Ma exist", belief in Kami, ( and Dogs have Kami, hopefully all dogs go to Heaven. But if Kami told you, they lie and joke a lot....and some of them are dogs...including our Fravorite Okami, she wolf, Amaterasu....;) )

Shinto became the first state religion to say, declare, miracles are a terrible sign.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
We have so many weird manifestations of spiders eating our men, (who you think are beautiful women, you need to have a mirror with you to know whose leading you into the woods, the Emperor Jimmu's enemies are "Spider clans", known for their 8 legs sometimes...aiding and enabling , or feeding these creatures, can get a thorough imperial clean up of your island...

.... which we assume were not the 8 legged shapeshifters it says...... as the Nephilim or the Israelite who encountered people so big they said "we are like grass hoppers"?

Of course, spiderwomen , binding their husbands with webs, aren't real, too ridiculous, but if the Bible mentioned them, Christians would still be divided, arguing, insisting it has to be true.....there is no doubt about that....

.... a gift to the first Japanese Emperor from his mother was the weapon, for exposing the binding spiderwomen that were eating the Japanese men...a mirror....this one , she saw her reflection, the mirror got possessed with her ghost.

None of which you have to believe in Shinto, because they were smart enough to know that it might not be true. The greatest miracles to prove it is true, would be the last thing the woman who gave the mirror, or Shinto, would ever want. For am extremely good reason they don't have Shinto missionaries or promote their faith, seeking converts which could raise so much money....do not teach that it saves anyone, or that you should be afraid to practice many religions ...;)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
A humble mother , housewife, not drawing attention to herself, good to her children, likely more virtuous than a miracle worker who wants the media to cover it , and the worst kind, the ones who say their words are infallible, anyone who doesn't obey gets the worst tortures, no cookies, no life , goodies, or eternally stoned.

Does anyone think there is basis to believe all prophets of Scripture or the Quran, heard the same voice?

....especially when a man is from sin city (Ur was his hometown....Ur is another name for Leviathan, where the favored tribe of Levi, the priesthood got it's name etymology from, that was so holy , It's inheritance was God, the only one that got God instead of land) and the greatest structure in that city was dedicated to "Sin", a bull Deity, from ouyter space, who beat us to the moon...

....It was the original "Sin City" where people commonly got messages from aliens demanding blood and animal sacrifice, or testing people, making claims and people blindly obeying, preying upon people that don't understand anything about the voice, or what it wants.

Abraham, being more easily frightened and timid that most atheists or pagans,
to think the voice wants him to receive a promised child , by un-consensual sex with a slave he has no marriage bond with, who probably doesn't want to be owned, or have a child with a man who loves her enough that he kicks her out into the desert to die of thirst with her son , who was the result of not understanding the voice...

....we monotheists all seem to think "Abraham was certainly understanding the claim that the voice was the first one, or the same one Moses heard on mount Sin (Sinai got its name from Sin), because any Darth Vader who can shoot fire from the sky to incinerate and bake a city, is better than the Gods who cannot work miracles or start an organized religion that lasts as long".

Right?
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
We forget that in the 20th century, the cleanest place, with what everyone decided was a place of "Miracles", where unemployment was down to 1%, where owning a Volkswagon, was something poor people could accomplish, for roughly the price of a cheap motorcycle, where people had the most unity, patriotism, and got there rising out of the rubble of the losing side, of the most destructive conflict ever seen, the people that hated everything about it, admitted, it was an unexplained miracle.

Precisely why very good people, witness a miracle, and see the benefits, feel the comfort, the excitement, and the leader is using the quotes of the Protestant reformer, Martin Luther, and the Bible, to promote racism + religious bigotry, dehumanizing people , so, it must be the will of Jesus Christ, and a Miracle from Jesus Christ...

It's Biblically sound at any rate?


....many Christians and theists of whatever faiths, even very humble people who aren't allowed to look at what goes on in some of those reeducatioon camps, and don't get to know what is not in the propaganda or controlled news, the best of people have every rational reason to promote it, and it destroys more lives than any regime prior, especially their country that it built up.... because of "miracles", voices, news, not knowing the truth, and believing there is a God out there who knows what he/she is doing, is the first , the only, the omnipotent, love itself, infallible, eternal, indestructible.

So, once again, my point, was Abraham hearing from a good, healthy spirit, and do we have evidence that Abraham was good at knowing the evidence, intentions, purpose, or voice of this spirit, that it was an honest omnipotent spirit, the first one?
 
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Messianic Israelite

Active Member
Hi Spiderman. Good afternoon. I'm a bit worried about you. Your posts seem to be getting more and more irrational. Referring to message 1. Abraham didn't rape anyone. Hagar did not die of thirst. Abraham did not want to send Hagar away, but this was Yahweh's will. Ishmael was not of converted character and would have corrupted Isaac. And I know you have a problem with Abraham offering his son on Mount Moriah. The point is, Yahweh didn't let Abraham go through with it. The point is, Abraham loved Yahweh so much that he was willing to go through with it. Abraham believed in Yahweh's goodness, despite Him asking to do something like this. his love prevailed over the doubts he may have had about Yahweh's character. Yahweh however had to offer His Son for sinful mankind. We put Yahweh through that. We caused Him to have to sacrifice His only Son for mankind, but He spared Abraham from having to deal with the emotional ramifications of killing his own Son. I ask, How loving is that? That we don't have to prove our love to Yahweh, but He has to prove His love for us.

Not sure what you mean when you say:
Yes, you never know who a voice is....and nobody asks "Abraham, giving his wife Sarah away, like she was up for grabs, because there is a small chance someone might scratch him if he says "She's my wife" , and run off with him, there is a possibility God doesn't have him or his wife's back......so, he doesn't trust God, doesn't love Sarah,

Yahweh has always been the first and the last (Isaiah 41:4 and Isaiah 48:12). . He has never been dethroned. That's your own opinions inter-meddling with the Word. He remains as the Supreme authority of this Universe.
 
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Madmogwai

Madmogwai
tyour messages contain irrational ramblings that do not adhere to a coherent structure or logical reasoning. As a recipient of your posts, I find it challenging to decipher the intended message or purpose behind your communications.

I would like to emphasize the importance of maintaining a coherent tone when engaging in online discussions or sharing information. Clear and concise communication is essential for effective dialogue and understanding among individuals. By presenting your thoughts in a well-organized manner, you can facilitate meaningful conversations and contribute to a more productive exchange of ideas.

I kindly urge you to review your posts before sharing them, ensuring that they are coherent and logical. This will not only benefit your audience but also enhance your own credibility and reputation within the online community. Remember, effective communication is an essential skill that can greatly contribute to your personal and professional growth.

Spider-Man you have weaved a very Confusing Web.
 

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
So, once again, my point, was Abraham hearing from a good, healthy spirit, and do we have evidence that Abraham was good at knowing the evidence, intentions, purpose, or voice of this spirit, that it was an honest omnipotent spirit, the first one?

Hi Spiderman. I'll address your last point here. It’s a good question you ask. I work in mental health and they are some people who suffer from schizophrenia who hear voices and claim all sorts of things about those voices. Some of them claim it’s their Mighty One, despite barely making any attempt to study the Word or do anything religious, some of them claim it’s their dead dad, or dead relatives. But when you ask these people what these voices are saying, they often are saying things which are devious or wrong. Sometimes, these voices are telling these people to do good things, like stop smoking. However, they also tell them to do things which are wrong, or the voices tell lies to them about what my colleagues or other residents are doing causing friction. The main thing about the spirits of the world is they tell lies. 2 Chronicles 18 says:

"18 And Micaiah said, Therefore hear the word of Yahweh: I saw Yahweh sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left. 19 And Yahweh said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one spoke saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner. 20 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before Yahweh, and said, I will entice him. And Yahweh said to him, With what? 21 And he said, I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, You shall entice him, and shall prevail also: go forth, and do so. 22 Now therefore, behold, Yahweh has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; and Yahweh has spoken evil concerning you.”

The spirit of Satan the Adversary tells lies.

However, spirits of Satan are also capable of telling the truth.

See Acts 16:16-18:

“16 And it came to pass, as we were going to the place of prayer, that a certain maid having a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much gain by fortune telling. 17 The same following after Paul and us cried out, saying, These men are servants of the Most High El, who proclaim to you the way of salvation. 18 And this she did for many days. But Paul, being very troubled, turned and said to the spirit, I command you in the name of Yahshua the Messiah to come out of her. And it came out that very hour.”

The point is, you never know when these spirits are going to tell a lie, or tell the truth. In Saul’s case, do you remember when he went to Mount Gilboa and asked a necromancer to bring up Samuel, the evil spirit there was able to accurately predict what would happen to Saul the following day. Evil spirits have some knowledge of Yahweh’s plans, and Yahweh’s will, but they won’t subject themselves to it.

How did Abraham know that the Word that came to Him was of Yahweh? It’s because he was living a righteous life. An evil spirit will not be able to enter one that is keeping all of the commandments, and neither will the Holy Spirit enter someone with evil in their lives. I get so frustrated with Chr-stians who say we need the Holy Spirit to enter the Kingdom of Yahweh, but they don't even have the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32). They never had it. If they were true to themselves, they would realize this. Read Genesis 15:6 and meditate on those words. Abraham knew he was righteous because he was keeping the commandments of Yahweh, that’s why he could believe in the spirit that spoke to him that it was of Yahweh.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
tyour messages contain irrational ramblings that do not adhere to a coherent structure or logical reasoning. As a recipient of your posts, I find it challenging to decipher the intended message or purpose behind your communications.

I would like to emphasize the importance of maintaining a coherent tone when engaging in online discussions or sharing information. Clear and concise communication is essential for effective dialogue and understanding among individuals. By presenting your thoughts in a well-organized manner, you can facilitate meaningful conversations and contribute to a more productive exchange of ideas.

I kindly urge you to review your posts before sharing them, ensuring that they are coherent and logical. This will not only benefit your audience but also enhance your own credibility and reputation within the online community. Remember, effective communication is an essential skill that can greatly contribute to your personal and professional growth.

Spider-Man you have weaved a very Confusing Web.
Thank you....to know that what I say, when it makes sense to me, not to others, and when you remove facial expressions and tone of voice, which can communicate better than words accross a screen, then, it would be incoherent even to people who think and act like me. ;)

Very important for me to heed wisely....whether I succeed or not, you still gave good advice. :)

I will answer the other posts when I have time .....God(s) bless us!

Homo sapiens deserve credit sometimes for being more sane than Gods, so we need their blessing just as much, if not more. ;)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Hi Spiderman. Good afternoon. I'm a bit worried about you. Your posts seem to be getting more and more irrational. Referring to message 1. Abraham didn't rape anyone. Hagar did not die of thirst. Abraham did not want to send Hagar away, but this was Yahweh's will. Ishmael was not of converted character and would have corrupted Isaac. And I know you have a problem with Abraham offering his son on Mount Moriah. The point is, Yahweh didn't let Abraham go through with it. The point is, Abraham loved Yahweh so much that he was willing to go through with it. Abraham believed in Yahweh's goodness, despite Him asking to do something like this. his love prevailed over the doubts he may have had about Yahweh's character. Yahweh however had to offer His Son for sinful mankind. We put Yahweh through that. We caused Him to have to sacrifice His only Son for mankind, but He spared Abraham from having to deal with the emotional ramifications of killing his own Son. I ask, How loving is that? That we don't have to prove our love to Yahweh, but He has to prove His love for us.

Not sure what you mean when you say:


Yahweh has always been the first and the last (Isaiah 41:4 and Isaiah 48:12). . He has never been dethroned. That's your own opinions inter-meddling with the Word. He remains as the Supreme authority of this Universe.
I was saying Hagar probably would not consent to a man who can sell her, and she would have died of thirst, but a miracle well was made that anyone without a miracle would have died otherwise.

If Yahweh was his friend, friends don't joke or test loyalty with "show me you love me by agreeing to destroy everything you hold dear".

That is where I am being rational, healthy, not claiming I am always,

Anyone testing friendship like that, not a friend, but they might be rich, a cartel leader with a lut of political power, maybe.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Hagar could not consent or choose not to with any freedom , Abraham obviousky didn't love her or he wouldn't kick her out unless he made sure he gave her basics for survival.

Abraham didn't love Sarah, because if you lie so that people can have your wife, rather than a small risk of fighting over her, no man who loves a woman treats her like she's up for grabs, when no one is even saying they want to fight over her.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Hi Spiderman. I'll address your last point here. It’s a good question you ask. I work in mental health and they are some people who suffer from schizophrenia who hear voices and claim all sorts of things about those voices. Some of them claim it’s their Mighty One, despite barely making any attempt to study the Word or do anything religious, some of them claim it’s their dead dad, or dead relatives. But when you ask these people what these voices are saying, they often are saying things which are devious or wrong. Sometimes, these voices are telling these people to do good things, like stop smoking. However, they also tell them to do things which are wrong, or the voices tell lies to them about what my colleagues or other residents are doing causing friction. The main thing about the spirits of the world is they tell lies. 2 Chronicles 18 says:

"18 And Micaiah said, Therefore hear the word of Yahweh: I saw Yahweh sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left. 19 And Yahweh said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one spoke saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner. 20 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before Yahweh, and said, I will entice him. And Yahweh said to him, With what? 21 And he said, I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, You shall entice him, and shall prevail also: go forth, and do so. 22 Now therefore, behold, Yahweh has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; and Yahweh has spoken evil concerning you.”

The spirit of Satan the Adversary tells lies.

However, spirits of Satan are also capable of telling the truth.

See Acts 16:16-18:

“16 And it came to pass, as we were going to the place of prayer, that a certain maid having a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much gain by fortune telling. 17 The same following after Paul and us cried out, saying, These men are servants of the Most High El, who proclaim to you the way of salvation. 18 And this she did for many days. But Paul, being very troubled, turned and said to the spirit, I command you in the name of Yahshua the Messiah to come out of her. And it came out that very hour.”

The point is, you never know when these spirits are going to tell a lie, or tell the truth. In Saul’s case, do you remember when he went to Mount Gilboa and asked a necromancer to bring up Samuel, the evil spirit there was able to accurately predict what would happen to Saul the following day. Evil spirits have some knowledge of Yahweh’s plans, and Yahweh’s will, but they won’t subject themselves to it.

How did Abraham know that the Word that came to Him was of Yahweh? It’s because he was living a righteous life. An evil spirit will not be able to enter one that is keeping all of the commandments, and neither will the Holy Spirit enter someone with evil in their lives. I get so frustrated with Chr-stians who say we need the Holy Spirit to enter the Kingdom of Yahweh, but they don't even have the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32). They never had it. If they were true to themselves, they would realize this. Read Genesis 15:6 and meditate on those words. Abraham knew he was righteous because he was keeping the commandments of Yahweh, that’s why he could believe in the spirit that spoke to him that it was of Yahweh.
The Bible says it was Samuel. You are lying about what the Bible says "Samuel", and saying "evil spirit"

I know not to trust you because if you feared God, you wouldn't replace the name of the most important prophet arguably, with "evil spirit".
 

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
The Bible says it was Samuel. You are lying about what the Bible says "Samuel", and saying "evil spirit"

I know not to trust you because if you feared God, you wouldn't replace the name of the most important prophet arguably, with "evil spirit".

Hi Spiderman. The Bible does say Samuel, but Samuel was dead and the Bible teaches a resurrection. Nowhere in the Bible does it teach we go to heaven when we die. Therefore to the learned it is easy to tell that the Samuel the Bible refers to in that passage was an evil Spirit masquerading as Samuel. Isaiah 8:19 says "19 When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their Elohim? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?". These mediums are not able to bring up the dead, they bring up evil spirits pretending to be the dead. Have you never read 2 Corinthians 11:14? " And no marvel; for even Satan fashioneth himself into an angel of light". Don't be deceived. Do you really think a necromancer, someone that has rejected Yahweh and His Law (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) can bring up the righteous dead? It's impossible.
 

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
I was saying Hagar probably would not consent to a man who can sell her, and she would have died of thirst, but a miracle well was made that anyone without a miracle would have died otherwise.

If Yahweh was his friend, friends don't joke or test loyalty with "show me you love me by agreeing to destroy everything you hold dear".

That is where I am being rational, healthy, not claiming I am always,

Anyone testing friendship like that, not a friend, but they might be rich, a cartel leader with a lut of political power, maybe.

Hi Spiderman. Yahweh wouldn't have had Hagar leave Abraham's household and let her perish on the way. Yahweh took care of her. Further in terms of Isaac's binding, Yahweh wasn't joking. He was deadly serious. But he has to test hearts and one of the ways He does that is He sees whether you are willing to go all the way in keeping His commandments.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Hi Spiderman. The Bible does say Samuel, but Samuel was dead and the Bible teaches a resurrection. Nowhere in the Bible does it teach we go to heaven when we die. Therefore to the learned it is easy to tell that the Samuel the Bible refers to in that passage was an evil Spirit masquerading as Samuel. Isaiah 8:19 says "19 When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their Elohim? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?". These mediums are not able to bring up the dead, they bring up evil spirits pretending to be the dead. Have you never read 2 Corinthians 11:14? " And no marvel; for even Satan fashioneth himself into an angel of light". Don't be deceived. Do you really think a necromancer, someone that has rejected Yahweh and His Law (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) can bring up the righteous dead? It's impossible.
The Bible says "do not make a graven image", of anything on the earth", then God says to make a graven image of a serpent, the animal associated with evil, the fall of humans, death, and Satan, and people dying of the current chastisement or wounds, must look at it to be healed.

God requires obedience to disobeying the ten commandments to be healed, saved, in that case on a bronze serpent, but it is God's miracle , and disobedience to the ten commandments, is something God asks for repeatedly, for those who know scripture.

God's blessing went to Jacob rather than Esau, but Jacob's loyalties were only to a woman above obedience to God, (aka his idol) and she told him to lie, deceive, steal, take credit for her and Esau's work, dishonor his Father,

His Father was the religious superior God made higher than any on earth at that time, and the head of the household.

As a general rule, contacting the dead was not good then, but it does say Samuel said that Saul would join him, in the world of the dead, so you are dishonest, to cover for your God , and disrespectful of the name Samuel (you replace the name of God's anointed, with "evil spirit" to hide what scripture says)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Hi Spiderman. Yahweh wouldn't have had Hagar leave Abraham's household and let her perish on the way. Yahweh took care of her. Further in terms of Isaac's binding, Yahweh wasn't joking. He was deadly serious. But he has to test hearts and one of the ways He does that is He sees whether you are willing to go all the way in keeping His commandments.
Yahweh let's children die of thirst and hunger daily, some of them more innocent, more holy, keep his law better than I'm assuming Abraham, who would give his wife to a stranger , lie and say she is his sister, just in case he might get in a fight.

Hagar might have been holy, hard to tell, but to say Yahweh would not let Hagar leave and die of thirst, has given people false and dangerous hope, expectations, for a God who allows worse disasters than that, every day, happen today their children.
 

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
The Bible says "do not make a graven image", of anything on the earth", then God says to make a graven image of a serpent, the animal associated with evil, the fall of humans, death, and Satan, and people dying of the current chastisement or wounds, must look at it to be healed.

God requires obedience to disobeying the ten commandments to be healed, saved, in that case on a bronze serpent, but it is God's miracle , and disobedience to the ten commandments, is something God asks for repeatedly, for those who know scripture.

God's blessing went to Jacob rather than Esau, but Jacob's loyalties were only to a woman above obedience to God, (aka his idol) and she told him to lie, deceive, steal, take credit for her and Esau's work, dishonor his Father,

His Father was the religious superior God made higher than any on earth at that time, and the head of the household.

As a general rule, contacting the dead was not good then, but it does say Samuel said that Saul would join him, in the world of the dead, so you are dishonest, to cover for your God , and disrespectful of the name Samuel (you replace the name of God's anointed, with "evil spirit" to hide what scripture says)
Hi Spiderman. Good afternoon. You are taking the Law out of context. Let's go to Exodus 20:

"4 You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 you shall not bow down to them, or serve them; for I Yahweh your Elohim am a jealous El, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those that hate me, 6 and showing mercy to thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments."

It says we're not to make likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or the earth beneath. So are we allowed to draw pictures? Do you have any children? Or do you know of any children? Children love to draw pictures, matter of fact, I'm of the opinion that many of those cave drawings were not done by full grown men but by children. The world today erroneously holds the theory of evolution and therefore they think the people of the past were stupid, but that's for another debate. Is this sinful? The context tells us that these people that do these things 'hate me' or hate Yahweh. Does someone that draws a picture of their family, or even take a photograph, or draws an animal, or some scenic scene, sinning? Do these people hate Yahweh? No of course not. The focus of this Law is upon those that 'bow down' to them and 'serve them'.

You seem to know quite a lot of Bible, so I won't even bother use references, but you realize that the Solomonic Temple had engravings of flowers, trees and other aspects of Yahweh's creations on the Temple walls. It also had a huge depiction of the Cherubim. Solomon also created the molten sea, on a base of 12 oxen. Do you remember these things? Or are you so desperate to find fault with Yahweh's character, that you are becoming irrational?

There is nothing wrong with making a graven image, or drawing a picture, so long as we are certain that we do not bow down to it or worship it. Yahweh's Word is consistent.

God's blessing went to Jacob rather than Esau, but Jacob's loyalties were only to a woman above obedience to God, (aka his idol) and she told him to lie, deceive, steal, take credit for her and Esau's work, dishonor his Father,

Esau wasn't a converted person, and he actually sold his birthright to Jacob, do you remember this? Every idle word that men shall speak they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment (Matthew 12:36). Would it then really have been right for Esau to receive the blessing? I can only imagine where the Assembly of Yahweh would have gone if Esau would have become the leader and bishop of the Assembly. Esau wasn't completely converted. He despised his birthright, but he wanted to be blessed anyway. Yahweh told Rebekah in Genesis 25:23:

"Two nations are in thy womb,
And two peoples shall be separated from thy bowels:
And the one people shall be stronger than the other people;
And the elder shall serve the younger."

She was only trying to bring about Yahweh's will.

As a general rule, contacting the dead was not good then, but it does say Samuel said that Saul would join him, in the world of the dead, so you are dishonest, to cover for your God , and disrespectful of the name Samuel (you replace the name of God's anointed, with "evil spirit" to hide what scripture says)

As I said, there is absolutely no way that a necromancer, can bring up the dead. They are abomination to Yahweh according to his Law (Deuteronomy 18:10-12). If the righteous dead could be consulted, why didn't Moses try to consult Abraham, Isaac or Jacob for advice? Or, any of the prophets down through history. If you want to believe the lie, that a wicked necromancer has the power to bring up the dead, that's up to you. Only Yahweh can bring up the dead and that's through a resurrection. Do you remember Joseph's death? When people die, that's it. They are dead. We can mourn for them, and this is the right thing to do because they no longer are with us (Genesis 50:9-11). Have you ever read Ecclesiastes:

"5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 As well their love, as their hatred and their envy, is perished long ago; neither have they any more a portion forever in anything that is done under the sun."

The breath has already returned to Yahweh, so how can that person be brought up, especially by a wicked necromancer. As I said, impossible.
 
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Messianic Israelite

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Yahweh let's children die of thirst and hunger daily, some of them more innocent, more holy, keep his law better than I'm assuming Abraham, who would give his wife to a stranger , lie and say she is his sister, just in case he might get in a fight.

Hagar might have been holy, hard to tell, but to say Yahweh would not let Hagar leave and die of thirst, has given people false and dangerous hope, expectations, for a God who allows worse disasters than that, every day, happen today their children.
Hi Spiderman. Good afternoon. People do die of hunger and thirst, and this is tragic. What did Yahshua say? He said: "In the world ye have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." Yahweh has promised to put things right. In the Kingdom of Yahweh, when we are ruled by the righteous one, Yahshua the Messiah, then is when things like this can be put to an end (Revelation 7:16). But Yahweh has promised to take care of His people. Even those who do die, if they lived righteous lives, they have the opportunity of being in the Kingdom. Even Yahshua died a cruel and unjust death, despite doing no sin. He should not have had to experience death. Death came in to this world through sin, but what sin had Yahshua done? How much more then will tragedy befall those who do not keep Yahweh's commandments. The prince of the world is Satan, so in this world there is bound to be suffering. We should then keep our eyes fixed upon the soon-coming Kingdom of Yahweh as the solution to our problems (Matthew 6:33).
 
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