Abrahamic God = Brahman???

[Fool]

Is the Abrahamic God an anthropomorphic personification of the Hinduism's Brahman?

As I understand it, Brahman doesn't have human qualities, but the Abrahamic God has some of the same qualities as Brahman.

So maybe he is?

take a look at their wives, that should help you make a better decision


the hebrew abraham had sarah and hagar as wives


the hindu brahma had saraswati and ghaggar as wives


Abraham = Brahma; Sarah =Saraswati

 

[PearlSeeker]

Is the Abrahamic God an anthropomorphic personification of the Hinduism's Brahman?

As I understand it, Brahman doesn't have human qualities, but the Abrahamic God has some of the same qualities as Brahman.

So maybe he is?

Nirguna Brahman = Ein Sof = Bila kaif

 

[PearlSeeker]

" ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One’ (Deuteronomy 6:6). When during this part of the prayer service a person recites the word ‘One,’ he should contemplate that the Holy One, blessed be He, is all that truly exists in the universe, for ‘the entire world is filled with His Glory’ (Isaiah 6:3). One must realize that he is nothing, for the essence of a person is his soul, and the soul is but a ‘portion of God Above’ (Shefa Tal 1a). Therefore, nothing truly exists except the Holy One, blessed be He."

Rabbi Dov Ber of Mezeritch, Likkutim Yekarim

SOLITUDE: THE BAAL SHEM TOV'S WAY OF MEDITATION - RABBI DOVID SEARS

 

[Aupmanyav]

the hindu brahma had saraswati and ghaggar as wives.

Saraswati (Harahvaiti of the Zoroastrians) was considered wife of the puranic Hindu creator God Brahma by some people. Other people named her Brahmani. River Argandhab in the Kandhar province of Afghanistan also at one time was known as Harahvaiti by Aryans (they basically named the major river of any region where they settled as Saraswati, which literally means 'easy flowing'. Even the old name of River Herat was Sarayu, Haroyu to Zoroastrians, means the same). Saraswati was the major river in the region where Indian Aryans settled (around modern Indian state of Haryana). The exact River Saraswati is not known now. There is a small stream known as Saraswati. The largest river in Haryana today is Ghaggar and when in floods flows in the same channel through which Saraswati is supposed to have flowed. The river is not perennial and dries up in the desert around Marot, District Bahawalnagar in Pakistan. It is distinctly visible in Satellite images. I do not know what trash is written in the site that you gave the link of.

 

[Ashoka]

Is the Abrahamic God an anthropomorphic personification of the Hinduism's Brahman?

As I understand it, Brahman doesn't have human qualities, but the Abrahamic God has some of the same qualities as Brahman.

So maybe he is?

I dont believe he does, but the Christian God is irrelevant to me and my practice, so that could be why.

 

[Vinidra]

In my view the Abrahamic might be a small aspect, or limited view of Saguna Brahman, as in one part in the metaphor of the Blind man and the Elephant, but it's not the whole elephant. Brahman is the whole elephant. Not that it matters.

In Hinduism, we (as atman) merge with Brahman as destiny, a monistic view. Certainly not an Abrahamic view, as far as I know. But what do I know?

Vinayaka, I agree with you 100%, and you put it so much better than I'd have put it!

 

[Fool]

Saraswati (Harahvaiti of the Zoroastrians) was considered wife of the puranic Hindu creator God Brahma by some people. Other people named her Brahmani. River Argandhab in the Kandhar province of Afghanistan also at one time was known as Harahvaiti by Aryans (they basically named the major river of any region where they settled as Saraswati, which literally means 'easy flowing'. Even the old name of River Herat was Sarayu, Haroyu to Zoroastrians, means the same). Saraswati was the major river in the region where Indian Aryans settled (around modern Indian state of Haryana). The exact River Saraswati is not known now. There is a small stream known as Saraswati. The largest river in Haryana today is Ghaggar and when in floods flows in the same channel through which Saraswati is supposed to have flowed. The river is not perennial and dries up in the desert around Marot, District Bahawalnagar in Pakistan. It is distinctly visible in Satellite images. I do not know what trash is written in the site that you gave the link of.

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thank you for sharing.


i've often wondered if jerusalem had any relationship to the salem of india


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem,_Tamil_Nadu


the bible claims that abraham came from the east; which makes me wonder if it meant east asia.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Is the Abrahamic God an anthropomorphic personification of the Hinduism's Brahman?

As I understand it, Brahman doesn't have human qualities, but the Abrahamic God has some of the same qualities as Brahman.

So maybe he is?

It is interesting that Hinduism has evolved to where at least certain forms of it see the Divine as united, rather than fragmented. Brahman is the source underlying the universe by description, and thus shares some similarities with the One God of Abraham. I am reluctant to say anything for sure, but I do believe that we authentically perceive the divine, we just sense he/she/it imperfectly. If you have read the story of the blind men and the elephant you can readily see how different people can perceive the same thing differently.

But you are still left with the question, is God a being of intelligence, or just some natural force?

 

[metis]

It is interesting that Hinduism has evolved to where at least certain forms of it see the Divine as united, rather than fragmented. Brahman is the source underlying the universe by description, and thus shares some similarities with the One God of Abraham. I am reluctant to say anything for sure, but I do believe that we authentically perceive the divine, we just sense he/she/it imperfectly. If you have read the story of the blind men and the elephant you can readily see how different people can perceive the same thing differently.

But you are still left with the question, is God a being of intelligence, or just some natural force?

Many Hindus, including Gandhi, believe that Brahman is the same as the Abrahamic "God" and use that latter name when conversing in English.

 

[River Sea]

Abrahamics believe that creation is created by god. So, creation is second to the creator. Similar to a mother and her child. If someone asked a question of the family, they'd talk with the parents before the child.

@Unveiled Artist @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

So is creation second to the creator? How did Abraham feel about this, and what were Abraham's emotions about God being Brahman? Was this how Abraham said God's name, "Brahman?

The topic of this thread is = Abrahamic God = Brahman??? That's why I asked?

 

[River Sea]

Many Hindus, including Gandhi, believe that Brahman is the same as the Abrahamic "God" and use that latter name when conversing in English

@metis @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

I didn't know that Gandhi believed that Brahman was the same as the Abrahamic "God.".

What more information do you have about Gandhi thinking that was similar about the Abrahamics?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So is creation second to the creator? How did Abraham feel about this,

In monotheism, yes, creation is second to the Creator, just like the story I write is second to me.

and what were Abraham's emotions about God being Brahman?

Since your question embeds things that are in question, it cannot be answered. The religions of the middle east were quite different than those of India. Abraham would have known nothing about Brahman.
While we can't know how Abraham actually addressed God, we can be confident it wasn't "Brahman." Abraham existed in the same period of time that Hebrew was becoming a distinct language. Traditionally, Abraham is thought to have addressed God as "El Shaddai," usually translated as God almighty.

The topic of this thread is = Abrahamic God = Brahman??? That's why I asked?

I am one to think that the finite cannot fathom the infinite, and that our primitive perceptions of God are unclear and easily misunderstood. While there are significant differences between the monotheistic God and Brahman, it is possible that both views are attempts to describe the same perception.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The imperishable is what Eminates from God, who I see is all the Messengers, as it is only they that can tell us of a Transcendent God, without them our thoughts are bound to this world.

IMHO, you have a massive misunderstanding here. The imperishable, the eternal, does not emanate from anything. It is there before the appearance of the universe, during the appearance of the universe and after the disappearance of the universe. Different Gods and different messengers are but illusions/imaginations/ignorance of humans. The messengers are snake-oil sellers, they blow their own trumpets. The chorus is then taken up by evangelists for their own reasons, many a times for money or power.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

IMHO, you have a massive misunderstanding here. The imperishable, the eternal, does not emanate from anything. It is there before the appearance of the universe, during the appearance of the universe and after the disappearance of the universe. Different Gods and different messengers are but illusions/imaginations/ignorance of humans. The messengers are snake-oil sellers, they blow their own trumpets. The chorus is then taken up by evangelists for their own reasons, many a times for money or power.

I see that opinion is a delusion created from attaching ones mind to this temporal existence.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

I see that opinion is a delusion created from attaching ones mind to this temporal existence.

No more than your mind is attached to the 19th Century uneducated Iranian whom you consider to be a 'manifestation' of Allah, talking to fellow uneducated Shi Muslim Iranians. There is no evidence of existence of Allah and none that he chose anyone to send messages to people.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No more than your mind is attached to the 19th Century uneducated Iranian whom you consider to be a 'manifestation' of Allah, talking to fellow uneducated Shi Muslim Iranians. There is no evidence of existence of Allah and none that he chose anyone to send messages to people.

Ya Baha'ul Abha for that God given connection.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

i've often wondered if jerusalem had any relationship to the salem of india
the bible claims that abraham came from the east; which makes me wonder if it meant east asia.

Unfortunately not. The real name is 'Selam' which is cognate with Sanskrit 'Shailam' (mountain - Shivroy Hills in the vicinity and Yercaud, a hill station).
Perhaps East of the location of the person who claimed this, but not as far East as India.

 

[metis]

I didn't know that Gandhi believed that Brahman was the same as the Abrahamic "God.".

What more information do you have about Gandhi thinking that was similar about the Abrahamics?

Yep, and he help daily prayer services for Hindu's, Muslims, and Christians. Here, it's quite lengthy, but worth reading imo: Gandhi and Christianity | Articles on and by Mahatma Gandhi

 

[Tomef]

Is the Abrahamic God an anthropomorphic personification of the Hinduism's Brahman?

As I understand it, Brahman doesn't have human qualities, but the Abrahamic God has some of the same qualities as Brahman.

So maybe he is?

Sources for the Abrahamic god seen to include:

The Sumerian idea of a ‘personal god’, i.e. one you could carry around, who was only your god. Seems to have been a new thing at the time.

The narrowing of pantheons as agriculture eventually led to city states, then empires. The need for one, omnipresent, deity to represent the authority of the empire in all its lands seems to have been the impetus for eventual monotheism.

There seems to have been a Canaanite god with a name similar to Yahweh. As that is where Abraham settled, it may be that he took on that established deity as ‘the one’.

 

[Fool]

Unfortunately not. The real name is 'Selam' which is cognate with Sanskrit 'Shailam' (mountain - Shivroy Hills in the vicinity and Yercaud, a hill station).
Perhaps East of the location of the person who claimed this, but not as far East as India.

but we know that there was a connection between judaism and zoroastrianism. and there is a connection between zoroastrianism and hinduism