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Abrahamic Religions: God Forgives All Sins?
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Tumah
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In Judaism it depends on the nature of the sin and the nature of the repentance and the time.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
Assume it is a sincere repentance
How would time make a difference?
And are there sins God does not forgive in Judaism?
Tumah
Veteran Member
There are different types of sincere repentance. If I sincerely repent out of fear of punishment, then the sin that I repent for becomes like a mistake, so it is not held against me but the blemish still requires rectification. If I repent out of love for G-d, then that sin becomes transforms into a merit that I receive reward for, because it became a vehicle through which I've attained a greater degree of closeness to G-d.
Repentance done at certain key times that were set aside for repentance have the ability to affect a greater degree of forgiveness. Like if there's one day a year where you can ask the king himself for a boon rather than working through officers.
Yes, the sins where G-d is not the injured party such as those between man.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
Very interesting.
The second and third answers are very similar in Islam
Certain times of the year, like the month of Ramadan for example, the doors of Heaven are wide open and it is a golden chance for a Muslim to repent.
Having said that, he or she can also repent any other time of the year, so they don't have to wait till Ramadan.
arthra
Baha'i
The following is a prayer revealed by Baha'u'llah for those on pilgrimage to the House of Baha'u'llah in Baghdad:
"O Lord, I seek forgiveness from Thee by my tongue and my heart and my soul and my mind and my spirit and my body and my corporeality and my bones and my blood and my skin. Thou, verily, art the Forgiving, the Merciful. And I seek forgiveness from Thee, 0 my God, by the invocation whereby the fragrances of mercy have blown upon the people of rebellion and through which the sinful have been clothed in the beauteous garment of Thy forgiveness. And I seek forgiveness from Thee, 0 my King, by the invocation whereby the power of Thy clemency and Thy grace is made manifest and whereby the sun of loving-kindness and bounty shineth forth above the forms of the sinful. And I seek forgiveness from Thee, 0 Forgiver of my sins and my Creator, by the invocation whereby the wrongdoers hasten in the direction of Thy pardon and graciousness and through which the seekers stand at the gate of Thy mercy, 0 Thou the Merciful and Compassionate. And I seek forgiveness from Thee, 0 my Lord, by the invocation that Thou hast made a fire that burneth away all sins and rebelliousness from every one that hath repented and returned to Thee, regretting what he hath done, weeping over his actions, and secure in Thee, and through which the bodies of all created things are purified from the defilement of sins and wrongful actions and from all that Thy mighty and all-wise Self abhorreth."
(Provisional Translations, Surah-i-Hajj (Part 2))
"O Lord, I seek forgiveness from Thee by my tongue and my heart and my soul and my mind and my spirit and my body and my corporeality and my bones and my blood and my skin. Thou, verily, art the Forgiving, the Merciful. And I seek forgiveness from Thee, 0 my God, by the invocation whereby the fragrances of mercy have blown upon the people of rebellion and through which the sinful have been clothed in the beauteous garment of Thy forgiveness. And I seek forgiveness from Thee, 0 my King, by the invocation whereby the power of Thy clemency and Thy grace is made manifest and whereby the sun of loving-kindness and bounty shineth forth above the forms of the sinful. And I seek forgiveness from Thee, 0 Forgiver of my sins and my Creator, by the invocation whereby the wrongdoers hasten in the direction of Thy pardon and graciousness and through which the seekers stand at the gate of Thy mercy, 0 Thou the Merciful and Compassionate. And I seek forgiveness from Thee, 0 my Lord, by the invocation that Thou hast made a fire that burneth away all sins and rebelliousness from every one that hath repented and returned to Thee, regretting what he hath done, weeping over his actions, and secure in Thee, and through which the bodies of all created things are purified from the defilement of sins and wrongful actions and from all that Thy mighty and all-wise Self abhorreth."
(Provisional Translations, Surah-i-Hajj (Part 2))
This somehow is true in Islam...
If a good man who has done much good deeds has also wronged another man...
The victim will take some of the rewards of the good deeds from the man who wronged him...according to how severely that man has wronged him...
There is also a supplication in which we ask God to compensate those to whom we have done injustice until they forgive us...
So basically...the victims have their rights...and Allah is just....and will only deal with justice...
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
This is what happened to the Pharaoh who persecuted Prophet Moses, peace be upon him, and his followers as he chased them till the Red Sea.
He tried to repent just before he drowned, but it was too late, as God did not accept his repentance.
Having said that, in Islam it is never too late, and God's doors are wide open for a believer to repent.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
No. Heinous offenders get Gehinnon, ie the worst Hell.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
That is if they don't repent before they leave this world
Thank you for your ^above ^ post.
Genuine ' wheat ' Christians believe God is Most Forgiving and that He forgives repentant sinners. - 2 Peter 3:9
The exception are those of Matthew 12:32 and Hebrews 6:4-6 because they are past the point of showing remorse or repenting. ( God and Jesus read hearts we can't - Isaiah 11:3-4 )
Lack of remorse and repentance is why Matthew 20:28 says Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all.
There is a difference between the Bible's Gehenna and biblical hell.
Righteous Jesus went to the temporary biblical hell the day Jesus died - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Jesus taught only sleep in death as do the old Hebrew Scriptures, so Jesus believed he would be in a sleep-like state until God resurrected Jesus out of hell - Acts of the Apostles 3:15
Reference verses-> Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14
Whereas the KJV Bible translated the word Gehenna ( Gehinnon ) in English as hell fire. Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed.
Destroyed forever and Not kept burning forever. So, Gehenna is a fitting word or term for destruction as Psalms 92:7 mentions the wicked being: destroyed forever.
As far as the Bible's temporary hell ( grave ) according to Revelation 20:13-14 everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up' ( resurrected ) out of hell before emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell. The wicked are considered as in Gehenna or being destroyed forever just as what was thrown into Gehenna was destroyed forever.
In the Scripture understanding, there is No ' until ' the very end - Hebrews 6:4-6; Matthew 12:32; Psalms 92:7
We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth - Matthew 25:31-33 - when haughty goat-like people will be everlastingly cut off from life - Matthew 25:46 with the everlasting punishment - 2 Thessalonians 1:9 - of destruction.
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
There is more than one type of ''Hell''. The literal place 'Gehenna', cannot actually be what is being described as the spiritual 'Hell'; gehenna, in the Scripture, however.
/The different types of Hell are most likely translated as 'Hell'', in English, that is where context would be necessary.
Interesting comment ^ Above ^ to keep in mind, however, wouldn't it also be necessary to know the ' type of hell ' the dead Jesus was in before God resurrected Jesus out of hell.
The day Jesus' died is the day the dead Jesus went to biblical hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27 - before God resurrected Jesus out of the Bible's literal temporary hell or grave.
So, the ' type of hell ' Jesus was in was the Bible's temporary literal grave for the sleeping dead - John 11:11-14
Sleeping dead because, like Adam, there is No post-mortem penalty for the unconscious dead - Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, Jesus, like Daniel, knew there would be an awakening from death's deep sleep - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4
Some, like Jesus, having a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6 - and the majority to have a later resurrection during Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth.
- Acts of the Apostles 24:15
Whereas the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7 - symbolic of Gehenna ( the garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever )
By the Light of Love are all sins covered.
Just as the sun cannot be exclusive to one people; so is god, or Love, not exclusive to anyone versus another one.
Slave to Allah, servant to Allah. Tawhid/Tawheed
nuk pu nuk
rosends
Well-Known Member
In Judaism there is also a sin after which one cannot repent and therefore, cannot receive forgiveness, if I remember correctly -- suicide. Though my memory is cloudy, I think a good read about this case is http://www.amazon.com/Dybbuk-Gersho...ie=UTF8&qid=1452650024&sr=8-1&keywords=dybbuk