Abrahamic Religions: God Forgives All Sins?

[URAVIP2ME]

In Judaism there is also a sin after which one cannot repent and therefore, cannot receive forgiveness, if I remember correctly -- suicide. Though my memory is cloudy,

If you come across a ' suicide' verse or passage I hope you will post it.

Do you think Adam committed suicide ( self murder ) ?______
After all, Adam knew full well in advance that eating the forbidden fruit would result in his death.
Eve was deceived, but Adam was Not deceived.
Being created with perfectly sound hearts, mind and bodies they could only sin on purpose.
Adam deliberately, on purpose, willfully broke God's Law which carried with it the death penalty.
However, after eating, Adam did Not take away his own life by putting himself to death as a person would do so today.
Adam, like Satan, showed no remorse nor repentance and was Not forgiven for his intentional sin.- Genesis 3:19

In Christian Scripture the unforgivable sin is Not suicide, but sinning against God's holy spirit - Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6
Mental illness inflicts many people, so Not being in a right state of mind so to speak, then how could suicide then or now be considered as unforgivable ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

By the Light of Love are all sins covered.
Just as the sun cannot be exclusive to one people; so is god, or Love, not exclusive to anyone versus another one.
Slave to Allah, servant to Allah. Tawhid/Tawheed
nuk pu nuk

Yes, there is sun and rain for all, flowers and shade trees for all, showing God is Not partial. - Matthew 5:45
In Christian Scripture we will all render an account to God - Romans 14:12
We are all free to act responsibly toward God - Malachi 3:18

Christian Scripture talks of what I might term a ' Spiritual Olympics ' - Hebrews 12:1-3
There would be No need to run a ' spiritual ' race with endurance if ' love ' alone covered all sins - 1 Corinthians 9:24-27; Matthew 24:13
So, although Christ died for all - 1 John 1:7, Not all will repent, and that is why at Matthew 20:28 it mentions Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say All.
In Christian Scripture there is an unforgivable sin mentioned which is never forgiven - Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6

 

[Fool]

Yes, there is sun and rain for all, flowers and shade trees for all, showing God is Not partial. - Matthew 5:45
In Christian Scripture we will all render an account to God - Romans 14:12
We are all free to act responsibly toward God - Malachi 3:18

Christian Scripture talks of what I might term a ' Spiritual Olympics ' - Hebrews 12:1-3
There would be No need to run a ' spiritual ' race with endurance if ' love ' alone covered all sins - 1 Corinthians 9:24-27; Matthew 24:13
So, although Christ died for all - 1 John 1:7, Not all will repent, and that is why at Matthew 20:28 it mentions Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say All.

how deep is your love?


Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

4 Love is patient, love is kind, it is not envious. Love does not brag, it is not puffed up. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-serving, it is not easily angered or resentful. 6 It is not glad about injustice, but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never ends. ....... 12 For now we see in a mirror indirectly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I have been fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.


Owe no one anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.

Love does no wrong to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


But if you fulfill the royal law as expressed in this scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

Matthew 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. to love the lord I AM that i am and thy neighbor as thyself.

 

[Fool]

In Christian Scripture there is an unforgivable sin mentioned which is never forgiven - Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6

i'm addressing this one separate.

that sin is against self, because ahea ashur ahea. sometimes the biggest mistakes we make, is against ourselves.


1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


I found solace in the strangest place
Way in the back of my mind
I saw my life in a stranger's face
And it was mine

I had a one-way ticket to a place where all the demons go
Where the wind don't change
And nothing in the ground can ever grow
No hope, just lies
And you're taught to cry in your pillow
But I survived

sia - alive

 

[metis]

Love does no wrong to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Except that there are 613 Laws, and many of them do not relate to interpersonal relationships. OTOH, non-Jews are not obligated to follow the Law anyway.

 

[Fool]

Except that there are 613 Laws, and many of them do not relate to interpersonal relationships. OTOH, non-Jews are not obligated to follow the Law anyway.

the Law to love absolutely pretty much pre-empts any negatives, or "thou shall nots". basically positive reinforcement vs negative reinforcement.

 

[metis]

the Law to love absolutely pretty much pre-empts any negatives, or "thou shall nots". basically positive reinforcement vs negative reinforcement.

Not really. For example, if we're teaching a child right from wrong, we do have to cover that which is wrong and why it is wrong, right? What if Junior wants to go play marbles on the expressway during rush hour, can one deal with that by not warning him that this might not be good for him? I have three "children" and eight grandchildren, and I well know that sometimes ya just gotta teach the negative.

 

[Fool]

Not really. For example, if we're teaching a child right from wrong, we do have to cover that which is wrong and why it is wrong, right? What if Junior wants to go play marbles on the expressway during rush hour, can one deal with that by not warning him that this might not be good for him? I have three "children" and eight grandchildren, and I well know that sometimes ya just gotta teach the negative.

a lot of what is considered "wrong" is subjective, or cultural. it has no basis in fact. case in point, most of the levitical commandments. if you love another as you love yourself, you're not going to wrong other self. emapthy works along those lines.

it's the do unto others as you would have done unto you, or the idea of oneness. to be friendly is to be loving and/or kind


http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=friend&allowed_in_frame=0

to love is to be friendly

http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=love&allowed_in_frame=0.

do not unto others what you would not done unto you, is again the idea of oneness, or self as other self.

there are two types of people on this planet.

children of the light and children of belial.

the children of the light serve other's as self.
the children of belial serve only self. such people promote tribalism, white vs black, male vs female, elder vs youngster, et al. the whole ideology is based on form vs action.

 

[metis]

a lot of what is considered "wrong" is subjective, or cultural. it has no basis in fact. case in point, most of the levitical commandments. if you love another as you love yourself, you're not going to wrong other self. emapthy works along those lines.

it's the do unto others as you would have done unto you, or the idea of oneness. to be friendly is to be loving and/or kind


http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=friend&allowed_in_frame=0

to love is to be friendly

http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=love&allowed_in_frame=0.

do not unto others what you would not done unto you, is again the idea of oneness, or self as other self.

there are two types of people on this planet.

children of the light and children of belial.

the children of the light serve other's as self.
the children of belial serve only self. such people promote tribalism, white vs black, male vs female, elder vs youngster, et al. the whole ideology is based on form vs action.

Here are the Commandments, all 613 of them and where they're found in Torah: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm Notice that one of the divisions noted is "positive"/"negative".

OTOH, many of our sages do believe it is likely that they main purpose of our Law is to make for a more humane and moral person and society and world eventually. However, even that approach must include some negative Commands, as noted in the link. To accept the positive Commands but reject the negative Commands makes no sense when viewed in the context of the Law.

 

[Fool]

Here are the Commandments, all 613 of them and where they're found in Torah: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm Notice that one of the divisions noted is "positive"/"negative".

OTOH, many of our sages do believe it is likely that they main purpose of our Law is to make for a more humane and moral person and society and world eventually. However, even that approach must include some negative Commands, as noted in the link. To accept the positive Commands but reject the negative Commands makes no sense when viewed in the context of the Law.

negative reinforcement is reaction to avoid something and involves punishment. there is no fear of punishment with love. there is reward with positive reinforcement. positive reinforcement is based on empathy. negative reinforcement is based on apathy and/or hatred.

http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=enlighten&allowed_in_frame=0
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=empathy&allowed_in_frame=0
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=apathy&allowed_in_frame=0


negative reinforcement is solely for selfish reasons; which is the self vs other self
positive reinforcement is done for selfless reasons; which is self as other self. love is two bodies being of ONE mind

 

[metis]

negative reinforcement is reaction to avoid something and involves punishment. there is no fear of punishment with love. there is reward with positive reinforcement. positive reinforcement is based on empathy. negative reinforcement is based on apathy and/or hatred.

http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=enlighten&allowed_in_frame=0
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=empathy&allowed_in_frame=0
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=apathy&allowed_in_frame=0


negative reinforcement is solely for selfish reasons; which is the self vs other self
positive reinforcement is done for selfless reasons; which is self as other self. love is two bodies being of ONE mind

You can obviously believe in whatever you want to believe in, but what you believe in ain't the Law. But there's more, since there are many quotes attested to Jesus that are negative. Therefore, it appears that you're not a Christian.

Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself.

[URL='http://www.biblestudytools.com/passage/?q=Mark+8:34-37']“Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save their lifewill lose it, but...

There's obviously many more negative commands.[/URL]

 

[Fool]

You can obviously believe in whatever you want to believe in, but what you believe in ain't the Law.

love fulfills the law. it is absolute. that which is divided against itself, will fall, or fail.

again, negative reinforcement is not about recognizing the equality of all people. it's solely about punishment. it is selfish in it's correction. it doesn't look at the other person as a equal, it just says don't do this/that. doesn't create a bond between self and other. it only relate self vs other. person a should not do this to person b.

love is positive reinforcement. person a recognize person b as different in appearance but intrinsically the same. a connection is made to other self as self. same as.

leviticus 19:18

but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord in agreement with


Deut 6:5
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


the 1st is like the second and this is the whole of the Law.

Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

 

[metis]

love fulfills the law. it is absolute. that which is divided against itself, will fall, or fail.

again, negative reinforcement is not about recognizing the equality of all people. it's solely about punishment. it is selfish in it's correction. it doesn't look at the other person as a equal, it just says don't do this/that. doesn't create a bond between self and other. it only relate self vs other. person a should not do this to person b.

love is positive reinforcement. person a recognize person b as different in appearance but intrinsically the same. a connection is made to other self as self. same as.

leviticus 19:18

but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord in agreement with


Deut 6:5
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


the 1st is like the second and this is the whole of the Law.

Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

It is completely disingenuous to cherry-pick the Law, only citing that which fits into a paradigm.

I added a bit to my last post, so what this essentially says is that you are also not a Christian since Jesus also taught some negative commands.

So, of which religion are you, if any?

 

[Fool]

It is completely disingenuous to cherry-pick the Law, only citing that which fits into a paradigm.

I added a bit to my last post, so what this essentially says is that you are also not a Christian since Jesus also taught some negative commands.

So, of which religion are you, if any?

love transcends religions, ideologies, belief systems, race, ethnicity, gender, sex, age, cultures, nations, et al.

it is universal. to be loving is to be a friendly and to be a friend is loving.


http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=friend&allowed_in_frame=0
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=love&allowed_in_frame=0

 

[metis]

love transcends religions, ideologies, belief systems, race, ethnicity, gender, sex, age, cultures, nations, et al.

it is universal. to be loving is to be a friendly and to be a friend is loving.

So, not only do you pick only the Laws that fit into your predetermined paradigm, you also do the same with what Jesus taught. Do you have any clue how ridiculous it is for you to quote scripture as if it's important and then pooh-pooh away any scriptures that you don't like? Either the scriptures are important or they're not, so what you are doing is totally illogical by any standard-- except maybe your own "standard", whatever that might be.

Anyhow, I'm moving on.

 

[Fool]

So, not only do you pick only the Laws that fit into your predetermined paradigm, you also do the same with what Jesus taught. Do you have any clue how ridiculous it is for you to quote scripture as if it's important and then pooh-pooh away any scriptures that you don't like? Either the scriptures are important or they're not, so what you are doing is totally illogical by any standard-- except maybe your own "standard", whatever that might be.

Anyhow, I'm moving on.

what is interesting is that some people don't realize they too pick those things that fit into their predetermined paradigm.

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=torah+ger&qs_version=OJB

when the sun goes down, we'll be dancing in the dark.


http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/H/HYPOCRISY;+HYPROCRITE/



Yeshayah 32:6 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
6 For the naval will speak foolishness, and his lev will work evil, to practise khonef (hypocrisy), and to utter to’ah (error, perversity) against Hashem, to leave unsatisfied the nefesh of the ra’av (hungry), and he will cause the drink of the tzameh (thirsty) to fail.

http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/4...ah-imminent-jewish-world/#IdJoJSPgPbP0y1EH.97


how deep is your love?

 

[dantech]

love fulfills the law. it is absolute. that which is divided against itself, will fall, or fail.

again, negative reinforcement is not about recognizing the equality of all people. it's solely about punishment. it is selfish in it's correction. it doesn't look at the other person as a equal, it just says don't do this/that. doesn't create a bond between self and other. it only relate self vs other. person a should not do this to person b.

love is positive reinforcement. person a recognize person b as different in appearance but intrinsically the same. a connection is made to other self as self. same as.

leviticus 19:18

but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord in agreement with


Deut 6:5
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


the 1st is like the second and this is the whole of the Law.

Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

How does love fulfill not eating pork?
How does love fulfill not lighting a fire on the shabbas?
How does love fulfill not eating bread during passover?

Also how do you fulfill a law? A law is a permanent thing which can't be rendered obsolete... Can you fulfill traffic laws, or do they remain in effect for as long as you will drive?

 

[RabbiO]

Yeshayah 32:6 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
6 For the naval will speak foolishness, and his lev will work evil, to practise khonef (hypocrisy), and to utter to’ah (error, perversity) against Hashem, to leave unsatisfied the nefesh of the ra’av (hungry), and he will cause the drink of the tzameh (thirsty) to fail.

As noted on another thread, the so-called Orthodox Jewish Bible is neither Orthodox nor can it accurately be called Jewish. It was compiled by a convert to Christianity and it is distributed in large part by an organization whose purpose is to convert Jews.

 

[Fool]

How does love fulfill not eating pork?
How does love fulfill not lighting a fire on the shabbas?
How does love fulfill not eating bread during passover?

Also how do you fulfill a law? A law is a permanent thing which can't be rendered obsolete... Can you fulfill traffic laws, or do they remain in effect for as long as you will drive?

love isn't exclusive to any of these things; nor a respecter of persons.

 

[Fool]

As noted on another thread, the so-called Orthodox Jewish Bible is neither Orthodox nor can it accurately be called Jewish. It was compiled by a convert to Christianity and it is distributed in large part by an organization whose purpose is to convert Jews.

as requested on another thread. are you perturbed by the fact that it was a translation by christians? or is the translation incorrect altogether?

are words more important than the idea they should convey?

why did prophets have to keep coming?