Abrahamic Religions: Why not just start with Noah?

[viole]

Gentile is not a term used in Noah's time. He's a human. The term gentile can apply only when it is relative to the Jews.

If he was jew, I expect his descendants were jews too. Unless you can undo your jewness in one generation, you are a jew too,like everybody else.

You seem to confirm that X is jew if He is related to a jew. If Noah family is jewish,it follows by recursion that we are all jews.

So, are you a jew. If not,why not?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Hawkins]

If he was jew, I expect his descendants were jews too. Unless you can undo your jewness in one generation, you are a jew too,like everybody else.

You seem to confirm that X is jew if He is related to a jew. If Noah family is jewish,it follows by recursion that we are all jews.

So, are you a jew. If not,why not?

Ciao

- viole

Jew is a term after Abraham. To be more precise, the descendants of Isaac can be called the Jews.

 

[viole]

Jew is a term after Abraham.

that does not answer the question.

Are you jew or not? If not, why not?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Hawkins]

that does not answer the question.

Are you jew or not? If not, why not?

Ciao

- viole

I thought that you wrongly assume that Noah was a Jew.

Again, it is a matter of perspective. Strictly speaking, a Jew is a Jew if he is under the covenant signed with Moses. And only God knows precisely who is exactly under this covenant. Humans culturally will refer to one's bloodline to tell whether he's a Jew (that remains another perspective).

 

[viole]

I thought that you wrongly assume that Noah was a Jew.

Again, it is a matter of perspective. Strictly speaking, a Jew is a Jew if he is under the covenant signed with Moses.

If jewness is transmitted by being related then either we are all jews or there are no jews. Depending on the jewness of Noah.

So, if Noah was jew we re all jews. If he was not, then nobody is jew. Your call, really, if you believe we all come from Noah.

Alternatively, if a jew is defined as someone under the covenant of Moses, then people like messianic jews are oxymoronic, don't you think?

You seem to redefine what being jew means as we get along.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Hawkins]

If jewness is transmitted by being related then either we are all jews or there are no jews. Depending on the jewness of Noah.

So, if Noah was jew we re all jews. If he was not, then nobody is jew. Your call, really, if you believe we all come from Noah.

Alternatively, if a jew is defined as someone under the covenant of Moses, then people like messianic jews are oxymoronic, don't you think?

Ciao

- viole

Like I said, you are adapting a wrong concept.

First Noah has nothing called jewness. Jew as a name is only valid after Abraham. Can you get this first point yet before I proceed further?

 

[viole]

Like I said, you are adapting a wrong concept.

First Noah has nothing called jewness. Jew as a name is only valid after Abraham. Can you get this first point yet before I proceed further?

So, Abraham father was not a jew?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Nothing can be more baseless than a single word like "nonsense".

Nonsense.

 

[JustWondering]

Thanks. Has there been any actual religious musing on this topic?

I mean, certainly God saw ahead of time that the first humans he made, other than Noah, would need to be wiped out. So, what was the whole point of all that? Why not just start with Noah? Apparently that guy was good enough to get God's favor over everyone else. No one who was alive was every going to be, or ever have a descendant that was going to be, in God's favor... apparently. I don't get pre-Noah history. Insights appreciated.

Perhaps god cannot see the future and can only predict the future with a certain degree of accuracy. In that case Adam was as good a starting point as any.

 

[Etritonakin]

Noah was a product of that which preceded him -therefore Noah cannot be the beginning.

God has the power to allow himself to not know how we will choose.

Lucifer -then Eve and Adam -were new. They really had no reference -no experience base.

The two thirds of the angels who did not rebel had a reference due to those who did rebel -compared to the good which came from obedience to God.

Noah had a reference due to those who chose evil over righteousness.


Both Lucifer -then Eve and Adam -went from knowing only good to knowing good and evil, because they had no reference -no experience.

Those who died in the flood are among "the rest of the dead" who will be resurrected to the judgment after the thousand years -judged according to their works, and purified accordingly.
Those who utterly refuse to do good can be utterly destroyed -but that has not happened.