All three works in their entirety or only the parts you favor?
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Abrahamicism
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
They seem to be less and less interested in the 'Glory of God' as the time goes by.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
The three books cannot be accepted in their entirety by followers of any Abrahamic religion. Why would Jews and Muslims accept that Jesus is the son of God, and why would Christians need to acknowledge Mohammad, after Jesus did all that was to be done with his sacrifice. Same with the later Abrahamic religions, Bahais and Ahmadiyyas. Why would Muslims accept that there can be a need of any messenger after the last word of Allah was delivered in Quran.
And does it include Talmud, Church Fathers, Ahadith?
firedragon
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There are already some religions like that. But trying to believe in all of that, they have lost all of it. It's better to be truthful than wannabe. In my opinion.
firedragon
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That's what I was gonna say. Beat me to the punch.
That and I would be surprised to see it work, because same God or not, everything else about the religions are different. Jews focus on Law and action. Christians belief and surrender. Quran, Law and Surrender...
Edit: It's a Holy Trinity of powerlessness.
You were just making things up on the go mate.
firedragon
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You were told wrong. Must be someone you met on the road or something. You should look for better sources.
Christianity is the religion of hate. They defy God (thou shalt not kill) and make wars and torture camps.
The Ku Klux Klan proudly displays the cross, since they are a Christian organization.
Adolph Hitler was raised Christian.
President George Bush's "New World Order" that he pushed, was the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency's plan to make a big brother government that illegally spied on everyone's private phone calls and hacked everyone's private emails (and Hillary wonders who hacked her). Google Eric Snowden for more details.
Part of George Bush's New World Order was to give welfare to the rich (cut taxes for the rich many times and many rich people pay no taxes, such as Bill Gates of Microsoft). George Bush's New World Order puts the financial burden for everyone's health care on the working middle class, making them poor, and then making the poor homeless. The ultimate goal is to take houses away from the middle class and make it so that the rich own all houses, and you must rent for the rich. Like the song says "owe my soul to the company store." The company store can charge whatever it wants, and another day older and deeper in dept.
George Bush's New World Order (that Bush spoke about so often), was to make huge underground nuke-proof and bioweapon-proof bunkers with all of the amenities of a large city, while the others had to duct tape saran wrap to the walls of their houses (W. Bush announced that as his bioweapon preparedness).
Is this New World Order under the same God as the Jews? Of course not. Prescot Bush, son George Bush, and grandsoin George W. Bush all were members of Yale University's Skull and Bones society. It had its own bible (not a Christian bible), and they performed Satanic rituals there. Prescott stole the skeleton of Geronimo (famous Indian), so that they could perform black magic on it. George Bush highly funded mind control projects (MKULTRA) with narcotics and ESP and the occult. At Skull and Bones meetings they would often stir cauldrons of unspeakable filth (eye of newt, toe of frog, etc), while chanting in Latin various incantations to summon Satanic demons.
Tied deeply to the Illuminati (rich families with historic European wealth that rule the world in secrecy, even in the United States), Skull and Bones exerts its influence worldwide.
The powers that be respect all who agree with them and use the Cancel Culture to gag all others. Peaceful coexistence is possible under dictators who torture anyone who objects, and overtaxes all others.
The notion of a Messiah came from Jewish prophecy. The Messiah was to be of the tribe of David. Jewish tribes pass down from father to son (patrilineally). How could Jesus be of the tribe of David if his father was God?
Messianic Israelite
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Good afternoon Starlight. It's simply not true. Muslims believe Ishmael (not Isaac) was the chosen one to which Yahweh worked, when actually Ishmael was not a righteous individual.
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The spiritual teachings do not contradict but compliment each other. Justice, mercy, love, compassion and the virtues are all compatible.
The social laws differ according to the age and people at the time they were given.
You will find that the latter religions accept all the previous Prophets gone before. For example Muslims accept both Christ and Moses whereas Jews reject Christ and Christians reject Muhammad.
firedragon
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The Qur'an does not mention the name Ishmael (as a chosen one-edited because some people are misunderstanding this post taken in isolation).
You are making things up, projecting it on tp a book, just in order to call it "not the truth".
Try to be truthful instead.
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You don't even need a religion for these things though. It dilutes the religion to such a degree it's meaningless. All religions have some form of these concepts, so are you going to accept my Kemetic religion?
Any ideas on why they would not like that?
Objectively, they do indeed trace their doctrine to Abraham, so it would seem fair enough.
Not seeing that, personally. At least not in a functional way.
As others pointed out, it has been tried. Most obviously by Islam itself and by the Bahai Faith.
It just does not work.
Besides, of the thousands of creeds that exist or may come to exist, the Abrahamics are hardly among the best suited to achieve wider reach, better consensus or even simple functional religious doctrines.
They have ever been the odd ducks, mainly because they are so theocentric and (besides Judaism) so commited to treating personal belief as universal truths that should somehow be presumed suitable for literally everyone.
Neither Christians nor Jews nor Muslims will even unite in their respective religions and love one another until the rising of the Qaim. There is two hours discussed in Quran and two days warned about mainly, the Mahdi rising is one of them and is the "the Haqah" in Surah Haqah if people reject him, they will be destroyed like past nations especially if they oppress believers, and then there is the last day the day of judgment. The day of rising spoken about that Christians will not cease to dispute with one another until, is the day the Mahdi (a) and Isa (a) establish justice on earth.
Sometimes the hour is discussed as something that would occur if people reject Mohammad (s), but that hour was averted due to Yathrib invitation of Mohammad (s) and God decided that believers would fight Mecca rather then him destroying them himself when he could've per God own words destroyed them himself.
The hour though is inevitable as well per other verses and this will happen with the Mahdi (a) and as Mohammad (s) is ultimately sent to all people, so the hour is a threat to all of the world eventually.
We don't know the results, it maybe most humans accept the Mahdi and Isa, or reject, if they reject and oppress believers and seek to force the truth by oppressing it and attacking believers, they will perish like many destroyed nations of the past. The only thing this trial will be towards the whole world. What cities accept will be spared, and not a city that rejects will remain but rather be destroyed or rather punished severely.
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This won't happen, the best we can do, is try to limit the amount of oppression of oppressors, and hasten the appearance of the Qaim (a), peace and justice will only occur through the rise of the Mahdi (a) and return of Isa (a).
Indeed, there are many controversial groups that claim Abrahamic origin yet have a hard time either accepting or being accepting by others of presumably similar origin. Mormons (Last Days Saints) and Kardecist Spiritists come to mind.
Apparently Abrahamics tend to easily develop bitter conflicts with other Abrahamics, arguably far more so than other creeds do. Interestingly, the worst conflicts are often those involving very similar creeds. Which in itself should encourage some reflection. How avoidable are those disagreements? What generally causes them? What can be done to solve them? Is that goal of reconciliation worth the trouble? Will the healing of those bitter rivalries be considered a worthy goal by the believers themselves?