Abrahamics Only: God

[SalixIncendium]

Please read the question and choose the closest answer to your own view. Feel free to elaborate on your choice.

For the purpose of this poll:

Transcendent: Existing beyond the universe or material existence; separate

Immanent: Existing within the limits of experience and knowledge; pervading the universe or material existence

 

[Martin]

Just curious, is the basic difference here whether God is "inside" or "outside" the material world?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Just curious, is the basic difference here whether God is "inside" or "outside" the material world?

I added definitions to the OP. But essentially, yes.

 

[Colt]

In my theology God functions on 7 levels, so I chose the closest in the poll.

 

[Estro Felino]

Definitely transcendent.
It is not a God that conceives the chaotic nature of the Universe, that is why I do not believe in intelligent design (and neither do scientists).

If God were immanent there would be no injustice, no suffering, etc...

God does want perfection is achieved but it is up to men and nature who have free will.
Hence Evolution.

 

[SalixIncendium]

In my theology God on 7 levels, so I chose the closest in the poll.

Interesting. Can you share what these 7 levels are?

 

[LightofTruth]

Please read the question and choose the closest answer to your own view. Feel free to elaborate on your choice.

For the purpose of this poll:

Transcendent: Existing beyond the universe or material existence; separate

Immanent: Existing within the limits of experience and knowledge; pervading the universe or material existence

God has a location. It's called heaven. "Our Father which art in heaven" for example.
Yet God's spirit sustains all life. If He were to withdraw His spirit all life would cease to exist.

 

[Colt]

Interesting. Can you share what these 7 levels are?

Yes, I will quote my source:

DEITY AND DIVINITY

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Deity functions on personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal levels. Total Deity is functional on the following seven levels:

1. Static—self-contained and self-existent Deity.

2. Potential—self-willed and self-purposive Deity.

3. Associative—self-personalized and divinely fraternal Deity.

4. Creative—self-distributive and divinely revealed Deity.

5. Evolutional—self-expansive and creature-identified Deity.

6. Supreme—self-experiential and creature-Creator-unifying Deity. Deity functioning on the first creature- identificational level as time-space overcontrollers of the grand universe, sometimes designated the Supremacy of Deity.

7. Ultimate—self-projected and time-space-transcending Deity. Deity omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Deity functioning on the second level of unifying divinity expression as effective overcontrollers and absonite upholders of the master universe. As compared with the ministry of the Deities to the grand universe, this absonite function in the master universe is tantamount to universal overcontrol and supersustenance, sometimes called the Ultimacy of Deity. UB 1955

 

[Regiomontanus]

Please read the question and choose the closest answer to your own view. Feel free to elaborate on your choice.

For the purpose of this poll:

Transcendent: Existing beyond the universe or material existence; separate

Immanent: Existing within the limits of experience and knowledge; pervading the universe or material existence

Both?

Panentheism - Wikipedia

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yes, I will quote my source:

DEITY AND DIVINITY

​

Deity functions on personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal levels. Total Deity is functional on the following seven levels:

1. Static—self-contained and self-existent Deity.

2. Potential—self-willed and self-purposive Deity.

3. Associative—self-personalized and divinely fraternal Deity.

4. Creative—self-distributive and divinely revealed Deity.

5. Evolutional—self-expansive and creature-identified Deity.

6. Supreme—self-experiential and creature-Creator-unifying Deity. Deity functioning on the first creature- identificational level as time-space overcontrollers of the grand universe, sometimes designated the Supremacy of Deity.

7. Ultimate—self-projected and time-space-transcending Deity. Deity omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Deity functioning on the second level of unifying divinity expression as effective overcontrollers and absonite upholders of the master universe. As compared with the ministry of the Deities to the grand universe, this absonite function in the master universe is tantamount to universal overcontrol and supersustenance, sometimes called the Ultimacy of Deity. UB 1955

You forgot penultimate and nifty-neato.

 

[Colt]

You forgot penultimate and nifty-neato.

For the dim he just said "This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”"

 

[exchemist]

I added definitions to the OP. But essentially, yes.

That seems a rather peculiar definition of transcendent. My understanding of it is that it means pervading, as well not confined by, the physical universe.

 

[SalixIncendium]

That seems a rather peculiar definition of transcendent. My understanding of it is that it means pervading, as well not confined by, the physical universe.

That would be both immanent and transcendent.

These definitions are paraphrased from Merriam-Webster.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Please read the question and choose the closest answer to your own view. Feel free to elaborate on your choice.

For the purpose of this poll:

Transcendent: Existing beyond the universe or material existence; separate

Immanent: Existing within the limits of experience and knowledge; pervading the universe or material existence

God in my understanding is trancendent. The part og God that is accessable on earth is within each one of us.

 

[exchemist]

That would be both immanent and transcendent.

These definitions are paraphrased from Merriam-Webster.

Yes, but "extending beyond" is not the same as "lying outside". It is the former that most people mean, I think, when speaking about concepts of God.

Transcendent in that context does not generally mean "separate from", since most religions involve a god that is active in the world, though not constrained by it.

 

[Eddi]

I voted for more immanent than transcendent

From a Trinitarian, Christian perspective:

God The Father is transcendent as he doesn't reveal himself although he does hear and (sometimes) answers our prayers - yet he remains somewhat aloof. "our father who art in heaven' - he is involved but he isn't down here on Earth, he rules from afar

The Holy Spirit is immanent, he is everywhere and is the means through which providence works out

Jesus Christ can be either on Earth or in Heaven, so he can be either - but we can relate to him as a human being. When he returns he will be completely immanent

 

[shunyadragon]

I believe God is transcendent, but despite the diversity of beliefs for the 'Source' some call God(s), God cannot be defined as being 'inside nor outside' anything, nor that God relates to humanity on specific different levels nor different ways. God simply exists as the Source of all there is.

The diverse different views of God in different religions represents to a degree and anthropomorphic view of God from the human cultural perspective.

 

[Dawnofhope]

God as I understand Him is both transcendent and immanent. He is wholly independent above any human conception or attributes including gender or corporeal existence. The finite human mind can not grasp the infinite and so God is incomprehensible exalted beyond any anthropomorphic conception. Although He is considered Omnipresent and Omniscient, He is not the same substance as the phenomenal world. The Baha’i Faith specially rejects anthropomorphism and pantheism.

 

[danieldemol]

God as I understand God is wholly transcendent.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Yes, but "extending beyond" is not the same as "lying outside". It is the former that most people mean, I think, when speaking about concepts of God.

Transcendent in that context does not generally mean "separate from", since most religions involve a god that is active in the world, though not constrained by it.

A god can still be actively involved in something and be transcendent. A god can create and rule something and not be that something. That god is still a separate being from that creation.