Absolute Certainty

[Heyo]

Haha. But those are the basic laws.

Yes. Humans aren't very good at logic. When we derive a law, we are prone to error at every step. We know how to minimize those errors and we know to measure the chance of errors so that we can be 99.99999...% sure about derived laws.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The vast majority of situations we deal with lack such strict boundaries, contain incomplete information and are also subject to cognitive error, so certainty is impossible.

Not for our friend Tony here. He is 100% certain, because ..
Bahá'u'lláh said so in his book "Kitáb-i-Aqdas".

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Not for our friend Tony here. He is 100% certain, because ..
Bahaullah said so.

Too right

Regards Tony

 

[Heyo]

I'm certain of two things, knowledge and faith.

Did you mean to say "I'm certain of to things that are 100% separate, knowledge and faith"?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Did you mean to say "I'm certain of to things that are 100% separate, knowledge and faith"?

They go together, of that I am certain.

Regards Tony

 

[McBell]

No if's for me, Absolute Certainty

Regards Tony

That is surely a reassurance, for you.
But outside your choir, it isn't worth even a crickets fart.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That is surely a reassurance, for you.
But outside your choir, it isn't worth even a crickets fart.

I see it has wider ramifications, to which your reply is a welcome part.

Regards Tony

 

[Heyo]

VERY TRUE.

While that's true and useful, it misses the point. We can't known everything - but can we know anything?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

While that's true and useful, if misses the point. We can't known everything - but can we know anything?

Certainty is not needing to know everything, certainty is knowing we can not.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

They go together, of that I am certain.

Again.

Certainty is not needing to know everything, certainty is knowing we can not.

But you are certain that there is One Allah, and that Bahaullah is his manifestation, and also that Bahaullah never lied. 'Maid of Heaven' - Fewell.

Baha'i Djinn Spirit Named Fewell - Angelic Maid of Heaven

 

[Heyo]

They go together, of that I am certain.

Regards Tony

Can't argue with that. Because if you are already certain, you are immune to reason.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What has reason to do with Bahais?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But you are certain that there is One Allah, and that Bahaullah is his manifestation, and also that Bahaullah never lied.

That is indeed the source of Absolute Certainty in my relative certainty.

I am certain from our conversations, that at this time you will see it differently.

Regards Tony

 

[Mock Turtle]

This is a discussion about Absolute Certainty.

First I will give what I see are Absolute Certainty.

100% Certain of God - Unknowable.
100% God sends Messengers.
100% Certain those Messengers are all we can know of God.
100% Certain that if you believe in one of those Messengers, one has found a source of Truth.
100% Certain that we are in true form, we are Spirit.
100% Certain that creation is a Relative Certainty.
100% Certain that all people have this knowledge within.
100% Certain, that we will mess up that Certainty.

Well that is a good start.

What about you, what are your Absolute Certainties?

Do your Certainties find any agreement in Mine?

Do you think we can have Absolute Certainty?

Regards Tony

I think this quote sums up much of what I feel:

I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. I have approximate answers, and possible beliefs, and different degrees of uncertainty about different things, but I am not absolutely sure of anything. There are many things I don't know anything about, such as whether it means anything to ask "Why are we here?" I might think about it a little bit, and if I can't figure it out then I go on to something else. But I don't have to know an answer. I don't feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in the mysterious universe without having any purpose - which is the way it really is, as far as I can tell. - Richard P. Feynman

But I have greater certainly that most of the 100% certainty that you have listed have no existence, other than in the minds of believers.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But I have greater certainly that most of the 100% certainty that you have listed have no existence, other than in the minds of believers.

I see that mind is a great place to have and explore Faith.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

This is a discussion about Absolute Certainty.

First I will give what I see are Absolute Certainty.

100% Certain of God - Unknowable.
100% God sends Messengers.
100% Certain those Messengers are all we can know of God.
100% Certain that if you believe in one of those Messengers, one has found a source of Truth.
100% Certain that we are in true form, we are Spirit.
100% Certain that creation is a Relative Certainty.
100% Certain that all people have this knowledge within.
100% Certain, that we will mess up that Certainty.

Well that is a good start.

What about you, what are your Absolute Certainties?

Do your Certainties find any agreement in Mine?

Do you think we can have Absolute Certainty?

Regards Tony

I hate to be a copycat, but I am absolutely certain about the same things you are certain of...
Why reinvent the wheel?

But I will add that I think that I get that absolute certainty from God. I certainly do not think I earned it or that I deserved it.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I see that mind is a great place to have and explore Faith.

Regards Tony

No problem if so many minds were just as intent on the same thing and equally tolerant whilst doing so but this is not what I see.

 

[Trailblazer]

At times, I am not 100% certain I exist.

Why?

 

[Trailblazer]

I'm convinced that it's foolish to declare much of anything to be certain.

We do not declare it, we just believe it. It is difficult to explain why.

 

[Trailblazer]

I am absolutely certain that there is no such thing as absolute certainty

How can you be so certain?
A person can be absolutely certain of beliefs but that does not guarantee they are right about them.