TheKnight
Guardian of Life
Most who read the Bible with predisposed hatreds come to that conclusion. One who is hateful and wishes to see hatred in that which is not hateful will see it there. The mind is a powerful thing.
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Accuracy of the Bible
- Thread starter rojse
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Most who read the Bible with predisposed hatreds come to that conclusion. One who is hateful and wishes to see hatred in that which is not hateful will see it there. The mind is a powerful thing.
Smoke
Done here.
I'm not sure anymore who the Orthodox priest was who said, "The Bible is at best words about God." In historic Christianity, it is Jesus Christ who is the Word of God. A belief that the Bible is inspired, infallible, and inerrant verges on idolatry, and it's not for nothing that Orthodox Christians who are less than tactful sometimes refer to Protestants as Book Worshippers.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Interesting points sojourner. one thing is certain, many modern newspapers lack the literary appeal the Bible presents on many of its passages, and their accuracy? well it aspires to a minimum.
Looking for absolute historical accuracy in a text which contains allegory, ideology, poetry, moral codes, and inspirational texts belongs to certain hermenautical approaches. but the Bible is much more interesting than that, the human hand behind its pages is a fountain of study and research.
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The OT contains the Pre Christian concept of God.
The new Testament Contains a Christian View of God as revealed by Jesus.
The old Testament Gives context to the new testament, But In my view, should be understood as having little relevance to Jesus teachings, or Christianity.
The new Testament Contains a Christian View of God as revealed by Jesus.
The old Testament Gives context to the new testament, But In my view, should be understood as having little relevance to Jesus teachings, or Christianity.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Thats interesting, since Jesus is quoted in the New Testament as saying the following:
rojse
RF Addict
And you see nothing to support the view that the OT does contain a lot of hatred? God commanding armies to sack cities, kill the inhabitants, and keep the women for themselves? God creating a worldwide flood to drown the sinful? The entirety of Leviticus, for example?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
That's funny. I was raised to love the Tanakh and did--until I read it.
You don't find a problem with this sort of commandment:
Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
I'd say if you don't find that hateful, the mind is a powerful thing.
Yes, it matters a great deal that the Bible is accurate, since it is God's message to us humans.
Jesus Christ believed in the accuracy of the Bible. In prayer to God, he acknowledged "Your word is truth". (John 17:17) The Bible says about itself "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight,..that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16,17). Although written over a period of 1600 years by more than 40 different writers, the Bible is consistent and harmonious. Jesus spoke of the Flood, Adam the first man, and other events recorded in the scriptures as historical fact. The people, places, and events mentioned in the Bible existed and some still exist. Time and again, critics have had to backpedal as many biblical accounts scoffed at by these critics have been proven accurate history.
Jesus Christ believed in the accuracy of the Bible. In prayer to God, he acknowledged "Your word is truth". (John 17:17) The Bible says about itself "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight,..that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16,17). Although written over a period of 1600 years by more than 40 different writers, the Bible is consistent and harmonious. Jesus spoke of the Flood, Adam the first man, and other events recorded in the scriptures as historical fact. The people, places, and events mentioned in the Bible existed and some still exist. Time and again, critics have had to backpedal as many biblical accounts scoffed at by these critics have been proven accurate history.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
it is posts like this that make me wish we had a "climbing into boat" smiley.
In his time, there was no "The Bible" for him to believe in.
In his time, there was no "The Bible" for him to equate to God's Word.
There was no "The Bible" in Timothy's time either.
Only with a concerted effort to see it as such by the reader.
Yes, his view of Jewish history was the same as that of all the Jewish people of his time and place. He was Jewish. Mystery solved.
The people(s), places, and events mentioned in Gone With The Wind existed and some still exist. Doesn't mean Scarlett O'Hara or Rhet Butler were real people.
How about a cpl examples?
In the meantime, here's one for you; it's well accepted now, due to archeological discoveries in the last century, that Troy existed. No one's claiming this proves the existence of Zeus, Athena, Appolo, existed, or that the IIlyad is meant to be read as history.
te_lanus
Alien Hybrid
He prays for their consecration by the power of the word in their hearts. - The People's New Testament (1891) by B. W. Johnson
But Paul never said it is accurate, and he was talking about the old testament(the LXX/Septuagint ) which included the deutro-canonicals
Doesn't sound very harmonious to me.
Yet no evidence
Yet no evidence
please provide facts
rojse
RF Addict
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
Its accuracy should be important to those that follow it. Why? Because a vast majority that follow it seem to condemn others that do not follow the little rules within it to their own specifications.
Personally, I think the bible is comprised of very biased opinions by those that have passed down the tales, put those tales in writing, and translated those tales into various languages over the years. I will stick to the Pyramid Texts myself. They are written in stone. That is a debate for another thread though.
Personally, I think the bible is comprised of very biased opinions by those that have passed down the tales, put those tales in writing, and translated those tales into various languages over the years. I will stick to the Pyramid Texts myself. They are written in stone. That is a debate for another thread though.
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
Such statements undermine Christianity more than you know. Christianity is a religion that needs to co-operate with the teachings of the Tanakh. If it doesn't, it is automatically incorrect. Trying to separate itself from that which gives it sustenance is suicide for Christianity. Yet so many unlearned Christians attempt this.
How humorous.
I see how some might come to that conclusion with an incomplete knowledge of Jewish law.
You cannot be raised to love Tanakh without having been taught what the Tanakh says. Any love you'd had before reading it was superficial.
What exactly is hateful about that verse?
rojse
RF Addict
The order to kill an entire group of people based on the fact that they are of a different religion, or have different beliefs to you, is not hateful?
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
Is that why God ordered that they be killed? Verse 17 of Numbers 31 follows verse 2 which says:
Numbers 2 said:
Revenge for what exactly? If you read the entire Parsha (Chapters 25-30) of Pinchas, you'll see that the revenge was for a plague that had harmed the people of Israel. The plague was brought on by the Midianites and their leading the Israelites astray.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Do you believe this to be true? or was it the Jews putting the Blame on the Midianites for their own actions and folly.
Do you think this has a relevance to the teachings of Jesus?
It is an object lesson in how the Jewish concept o God is not a Christian one.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
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Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic
The OT contains the Pre Christian concept of God.
The new Testament Contains a Christian View of God as revealed by Jesus.
The old Testament Gives context to the new testament, But In my view, should be understood as having little relevance to Jesus teachings, or Christianity.
Jesus Did fulfill the Jewish Law.
However his subsequent teachings Showed a new Merciful face of God.
The above passage seems more the work of a Jewish apologist than the actual words of Jesus. (Spin doctors were around in even those days.)
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pippa_wonders
New Member
That is simply not so. The pages of the OT, especially, are filled with 'Horrible, barbaric, primitive, vengeful, genocidal, murderous ethics' whatever one's predisposition is. It's hard to find a few pages free from hateful rantings of God towards his people. I had to stop reading it in the end.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Really, such as what?
For example, what do ancient historians say about the sojourn of the Jews in Egypt?
What about the Israelite conquest of Canaan?
Tower of Babel?
Noah's flood?
Destruction of Tyre?
What about the census during the reign of Herod?