Adam and his wife died physically after eating the Forbidden Fruit. Genesis 2:17 is Literal.

[Yokefellow]

Adam and his wife died *physically* after partaking of the Forbidden Fruit. Moreover, it was on that very day...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

• Day means Day, as in twenty-four hours or less.
• Surely Die means Surely Die, as in physical death.

As far as I know, I am the only person on the planet that believes the above verse.

Both Christians and Non-Christians alike will take away and add words to the verse to make it state something it does not.

Some examples include...

• Spiritual Death: Adam and his wife 'died Spiritually'.
• Begin to Age: The 'aging process' for Adam and his wife 'began ticking'.
• Day is a Thousand Years: Adam and his wife 'died within a thousand-year timeframe'.

Note that taking away and adding to the Word of God is of course a very big no-no, yet everyone does it with Genesis 2:17.

There is no need however, to alter the verse. Genesis 2:17 agrees with the entire Bible when taken literally.

In fact, it is the *only* way in which it does!

 

[Twilight Hue]

If that's the case that cherub with the sword of flame guarding the gates of eden must be around somewhere.

 

[Yokefellow]

If that's the case that cherub with the sword of flame guarding the gates of eden must be around somewhere.

They may be found in the Lowest Parts of the Earth...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."

...and in the Heart of the Earth...

Matthew 12:40
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

...otherwise known as the Most Holy Place where Fertilization takes place in the Body Temple.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Note that taking away and adding to the Word of God is of course a very big no-no, yet everyone does it with Genesis 2:17.

There is no need however, to alter the verse. Genesis 2:17 agrees with the entire Bible when taken literally.

Translating it alters it. There is no getting around that. Its not written in English. Also it is ancient, and so the idioms can be misunderstood.

 

[Yokefellow]

Translating it alters it. There is no getting around that. Its not written in English. Also it is ancient, and so the idioms can be misunderstood.

Is there an English translation that you have found that more accurately conveys the meaning? I would like to see one if you have it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Is there an English translation that you have found that more accurately conveys the meaning? I would like to see one if you have it.

It is impossible to make up for translation. It is not the same as the original and cannot convey the same meanings, just as Wordsworth cannot be translated to Russian. Translation necessarily mars the communication. Word for word translation fails, just as dynamic translation fails. They both are imprecise. Looking things up in concordances and in lexicons also cannot fix this problem. Its never going to be the same in a different language.

 

[Twilight Hue]

They may be found in the Lowest Parts of the Earth...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."

...and in the Heart of the Earth...

Matthew 12:40
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

...otherwise known as the Most Holy Place where Fertilization takes place in the Body Temple.

Everything is weightless there.

 

[Yokefellow]

It is impossible to make up for translation. It is not the same as the original and cannot convey the same meanings, just as Wordsworth cannot be translated to Russian. Translation necessarily mars the communication. Word for word translation fails, just as dynamic translation fails. They both are imprecise. Looking things up in concordances and in lexicons also cannot fix this problem. Its never going to be the same in a different language.

Interesting how the Strong's word for 'die' (4191) is there twice...

The same phrase, 'surely die', is used in several other places. Here for example...

Genesis 20:7
"Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine."

It is a consistent pattern.

 

[F1fan]

Adam and his wife died *physically* after partaking of the Forbidden Fruit. Moreover, it was on that very day...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

• Day means Day, as in twenty-four hours or less.
• Surely Die means Surely Die, as in physical death.

As far as I know, I am the only person on the planet that believes the above verse.

Both Christians and Non-Christians alike will take away and add words to the verse to make it state something it does not.

Some examples include...

• Spiritual Death: Adam and his wife 'died Spiritually'.
• Begin to Age: The 'aging process' for Adam and his wife 'began ticking'.
• Day is a Thousand Years: Adam and his wife 'died within a thousand-year timeframe'.

Note that taking away and adding to the Word of God is of course a very big no-no, yet everyone does it with Genesis 2:17.

There is no need however, to alter the verse. Genesis 2:17 agrees with the entire Bible when taken literally.

In fact, it is the *only* way in which it does!

Why interpret it literally?

 

[Yokefellow]

Everything is weightless there.

Indeed. Lots of Amniotic Fluid for that 'floating in space' feeling.

Behold, the Center of the World...

Ezekiel 5:5 (Good News Translation)
"The Sovereign LORD said, "Look at Jerusalem. I put her at the center of the world, with other countries all around her."

Children are born from there... from the 'center'...

Isaiah 66:8 (New Living Translation)
"Who has ever seen anything as strange as this? Who ever heard of such a thing? Has a nation ever been born in a single day? Has a country ever come forth in a mere moment? But by the time Jerusalem’s birth pains begin, her children will be born."

The Temple Body begins as a single cell inside her Sacred Space.

Most Holy Place.

 

[Yokefellow]

Why interpret it literally?

It connects all of the dots and reveals a Great Mystery.

 

[F1fan]

It connects all of the dots and reveals a Great Mystery.

What dots are connected? And what is this great mystery? Use facts and reason. Avoid assumptions.

 

[Yokefellow]

What dots are connected? And what is this great mystery? Use facts and reason. Avoid assumptions.

Where to begin? Once a lie has been told about one verse, many more lies must be told to support it.

And now, thousands of years later, the masses are finally waking up to the monumental fraud that has been committed.

The 'Mother of All Lies' has its roots in Genesis. Christians are *told* to believe the lie that Satan told to the Woman...

Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

Christians are told that the couple that ate the Forbidden Fruit did not 'surely die'... and they believe it.

They chose Satan's word over God's Word.

 

[Yokefellow]

What is the Great Mystery?

We finally get to find out who are Biological Parents really are.

 

[F1fan]

Where to begin? Once a lie has been told about one verse, many more lies must be told to support it.

Like theists who try to defend their literalist interpretations of the Bible with unwarranted assumptions. Look at creationists and how they try to disparage science, and inflate poorly evidenced beliefs.

And now, thousands of years later, the masses are finally waking up to the monumental fraud that has been committed.

Yes, the many centuries that a literalist interpretation of the Bible is true somehow. Science and reason has emerged and shown these interpretation are wrong and flawed. Yet many believers hold on to these obsolete beliefs in the 21st century. They choose religious rhetoric over science and reason.

The 'Mother of All Lies' has its roots in Genesis. Christians are *told* to believe the lie that Satan told to the Woman...

Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

Christians are told that the couple that ate the Forbidden Fruit did not 'surely die'... and they believe it.

They chose Satan's word over God's Word.

It's a story, not history. There is no evidence to suggest the Genesis myths are true at face value.

 

[F1fan]

What is the Great Mystery?

We finally get to find out who are Biological Parents really are.

And you offer not a shred of evidence that any of this is true in reality. So we throw it out.

 

[Yokefellow]

There is no evidence to suggest the Genesis myths are true at face value.

Sounds like this thread is not for you.

Your Echo Chamber is that way -->

Have fun in your Safe Space.

 

[Yokefellow]

Quick FYI...

This is not a 'Genesis is a Myth' thread.

The topic of this thread is Genesis 2:17 and how a literal interpretation corrects the false narrative that Christians have been taught for thousands of years now.

 

[F1fan]

Sounds like this thread is not for you.

It is open to all forum members. If you can't defend your position with evidence and reasoning I suggest you post in a protected area that avoids logical critque.

These types of literalist interpretations are easily refuted, as you fail to rebut anything I stated.

Your Echo Chamber is that way -->

Have fun in your Safe Space.

How ironic since it is you who can't defend your claims against my critique. So I take it you admit you can't explain how a literalist interpretation is logical and based on fact?

 

[Yokefellow]

@F1fan

Nothing you have stated addresses Genesis 2:17.

You are derailing. I consider that to be rude.