Adam and his wife died *physically* after partaking of the Forbidden Fruit. Moreover, it was on that very day...
Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
- Day means Day, as in twenty-four hours or less.
- Surely Die means Surely Die, as in physical death.
As far as I know, I am the only person on the planet that believes the above verse.
Both Christians and Non-Christians alike will take away and add words to the verse to make it state something it does not.
Some examples include...
- Spiritual Death: Adam and his wife 'died Spiritually'.
- Begin to Age: The 'aging process' for Adam and his wife 'began ticking'.
- Day is a Thousand Years: Adam and his wife 'died within a thousand-year timeframe'.
Note that taking away and adding to the Word of God is of course a very big no-no, yet everyone does it with Genesis 2:17.
There is no need however, to alter the verse. Genesis 2:17 agrees with the entire Bible when taken literally.
In fact, it is the *only* way in which it does!
Hi @McBell
Cain and Abel were born after the Fall, in other words they were born after the Second Adam, along with his newly created wife Eve, were expelled from their previous estate.
On a related note, Cain was the first reincarnation of Satan into a Human form. Satan was turned into Male Seed in this verse...
Genesis 3:14
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life"
Milk of the Word: Satan was turned into a scary snake. <- Taught to Children
Meat of the Word: Satan was turned into what we now call Sperm. <- Taught to Adults
Most Christians are still on the Milk. They are never taught the Adult Education version of Scripture.
For example, 'Dust' is symbolic of Seed and what Life is made of. In other words, DNA...
Genesis 28:14
"And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed."
After God turned Satan into Male Seed, he was placed into the loins of Mankind. Thus, every Male on the planet has the so called 'Seed of the Serpent'.
When the Second Adam planted his Seed into the fertile Earth of Eve's womb, the result was Cain, i.e., 'Thorns and Thistles'...
Genesis 3:18
"Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field"
The above verse is a euphemism for bearing Children. God cursed the ground...
Genesis 3:17
"And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life"
The phrase 'cursed is the ground' has more than one meaning. It can refer to the 'Lowest Parts of the Earth' where you and I came from...
Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."
The 'Earthen Vessels' of Man has been corrupted.
Genesis 2:23
"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."
The First Adam named his wife 'Woman' or 'Ishshah' in the original Hebrew. Nowhere does the name 'Eve' show up until much later, after the Fall.
Therefore, it was the First Adam along with his wife Ishshah that died after partaking of the Forbidden Fruit.
God then recreated... i.e., reincarnated them as the Second Adam and Eve on the Sixth Day. That is when the Second Adam gave this new creation the name Eve...
Genesis 3:20
"And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."
Hi Yokefellow...
you make some very interesting statements in your posts some of which i have referenced above.
I am a Seventh Day Adventist and we are one of the few religious denominations who do take a literal view of both the Genesis and flood accounts and we believe they are critical to the story of salvation.
I had not thought of the idea of a day being a thousand years as justification for the idea that "in the day thou eastest of it, thou shalt surely die"...its a very interesting thought and to be honest, it could be a good answer to this dilemma.
My view has been that the bible talks extensively about Gods patience and it also talks extensively about sins of fathers being passed onto future generations...so when God said to Adam, "you", he could also be refering to future generations being subject to death instead of immortality.
There is also the notion that death did not exist in the garden prior to the fall and im certain that was what God was actually referring to. We view death as an absolute, however, in those days it did not exist...so what God was saying is, "Adam if you eat of this fruit, you will no longer live forever, your life will end one day in death and that process will start immediately in the day that you eat of the fruit." In that day death will become part of your existence
This is also a concept which proves TEism absolutely wrong to btw...as they must believe that physical death was not a consequence of sin in order to overcome the dilemma of natural selection and death cycle for millions of years up to the point of Adam and Eves sin. The huge theological problem with the claim that sin did not also bring physical death into this world for the first time in the Garden of Eden is Christ incarnation and death on the cross. Christ died physically for the wages of sin...if death was only spiritual, why did Christ die physically and the blood of sheeps and goats be shed as an illustration of this for thousands of years prior to Christ? Finally, why is the second coming also a physical event?
Interestingly enough, one of the first things that Adam and Eve noticed after they ate the fruit is that they were naked. The glory of God that enveloped them had departed...they had separated themselves from their source of eternal life...they immediately began to die and they saw themselves as being naked. What is really interesting is that they turned to leaves of trees in order to cover their nakedness...thus even nature itself became corrupted by their sin as it was used in an attempt to hide their sin...to cover it up. I think this is also why God cursed the ground...to show sin cannot be hidden and its consequences are absolute.
Can i just take particular note of one claim you have made regarding the second Adam and Eve being his second replacement wife after the fall... this is 100% false and unbiblical...Adam was not resurrected into a new person, nor did he get a new wife. Eve is the very same person who was made out of him on the 6th day. God banished both Adam and Eve from the garden because of their sin...this is a fundamental of the bible and no scholars I am aware of see it any differently. It is also an extremely important doctrine...Christ made atonement on the cross as a descendant of Eve. Recall the promise that God made to them in Genesis 3?
14So the LORD God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and every beast of the field!
On your belly will you go,
and dust you will eat,
all the days of your life.
15And
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your seed and her seed.
He will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.c”
Genesis 3:15 is specifically talking about the incarnation of the Messiah...Christ, who would come to save Gods creation.
Also, the bible specifically tells us who the second Adam is...is specifically calls Christ the second Adam (i would suggest you read Romans Chapter 5 and 6 (and note 5:18&19)
18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
When developing bible doctrine, it is vitally important that you cross reference your ideas from a wide range of texts...but not only that, you need to ensure that your theology remains consistent with other bible statements that are self interpreting. The topic of Christ being the second Adam is a crucial doctrine and for a crucial reason, Christ came to undo the mistake that his predecessor if you like, the first Adam, made. This is a key salvation doctrine and is directly linked with the dual nature of Christ (ie God/man). Only one man was capable of making atonement for sin...the entire sanctuary service of Moses explains to us that a lamb "without fault
" was the only sacrifice acceptable to God as atonement for sin. A perfect sinless man must take the place of Adam to make atonement for his sin...and this person was Christ.
Finally, your claim regarding Genesis 2:7 and "God formed man out of the dust of the ground" being a reference for mans creation on day three is complete nonesense...that text in no way references anything of the sort. You are simply not udnerstanding that the bible writers regularly "recap" and that is exactly what is happening in here.
Moses is recapping Adam being made "out of the dust of the ground" in describing what happens when one dies. Remember death did not exist prior to this time...God was explaining to Adam and Eve that when they die, their bodies would begin to break down..."rot" if you want to use a very blunt word. Adam and Eve now understood what happens when they die. They had no idea what the process was prior to this time...if you had never faced death, and knew nothing of it, wouldnt you ask the same question...what happens to me when i die? (those who believe that when we die we go straight to purgatory or heaven might want to think about this btw)
