Adam & Eve sitting in a tree....

[Thief]

The two first humans with souls that had no free-will where given it by Lucifer and thus Yahweh hated them for it.

Later his story changed the details drastically to appeal to his chosen people and the myths that where common at the time.

so...was that God ....lying to Moses?
Moses...lying to his people?
or the serpent ....with his own agenda?

or just a free for all?....with everyone just trying to assert their reality over everyone else

 

[Electus de Lumine]

hmmmm.....the version I had always heard was that Lucifer did not feel that Adam & Eve deserved Paradise and so revolted against God.

What can I say Yahweh knows that the best lie has a little truth.

 

[Thief]

and the participants here....are able to discern?
the truth

 

[Electus de Lumine]

so...was that God ....lying to Moses?
Moses...lying to his people?
or the serpent ....with his own agenda?

or just a free for all?....with everyone just trying to assert their reality over everyone else

Yes Yahweh lied to Moses. Moses probably did not lie about what he was told. Lucifer was not a serpent, this was a part of Yahweh's story that incorporated parts of other common myths of the area in order to appeal to the masses. Possibly but given my own anecdotal experiences highly unlikely.

 

[Thief]

Yes Yahweh lied to Moses. Moses probably did not lie about what he was told. Lucifer was not a serpent, this was a part of Yahweh's story that incorporated parts of other common myths of the area in order to appeal to the masses. Possibly but given my own anecdotal experiences highly unlikely.

I believe...no one in the garden event lied

the given quotes have more than one meaning

the text is like a litmus test.....to draw out and expose your ability to....'see'

 

[Electus de Lumine]

I believe...no one in the garden event lied

the given quotes have more than one meaning

the text is like a litmus test.....to draw out and expose your ability to....'see'

Your way of writing is not cool, dramatic, mystical, or thought provoking. And why do you believe that Yahweh told the truth?

 

[godnotgod]

... why do you believe that Yahweh told the truth?

You have a point there...God lied to his children from the get-go, when he told them NOT to eat of the Forbidden Fruit, when in fact, that is precisely what he wanted them to do.

 

[Thief]

Your way of writing is not cool, dramatic, mystical, or thought provoking. And why do you believe that Yahweh told the truth?

yeah...I once used the old school technique.....

this method................suits me

and God said what He meant
sometimes you have to sit still long enough
let the epiphany happen

 

[Akivah]

"Each person's mind/reality" is not actual Reality; it is only perceptual reality. The actual Reality is that all sentient beings share a common consciousness, just as all fish share a common and singular ocean. 'Separate minds' is but an illusion of the mind itself, while the mind itself is a self-created principle. 'I' creates and maintains the convincing illusion of separation, where no such separation actually exists in Reality.

I'm gonna have to bow out for this. Once it gets all philosophy & illusion is reality stuff, my direct mind can't handle it. It's all just double talk and mind games to me.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

yeah...I once used the old school technique.....

this method................suits me

and God said what He meant
sometimes you have to sit still long enough
let the epiphany happen

Asserting that Yahweh was telling the truth does not make it so.

 

[godnotgod]

I'm gonna have to bow out for this. Once it gets all philosophy & illusion is reality stuff, my direct mind can't handle it. It's all just double talk and mind games to me.

That's a shame that you think that, but anyway, I never said that illusion was reality. However what the conditioned mind thinks is reality, is not. You only have to look at the new discoveries in Quantum Physics to see that what we call this 'material' world is now understood as a superposition of possibilities. It's not philosophy. It's cutting edge science. Get with it.

 

[Thief]

Asserting that Yahweh was telling the truth does not make it so.

this might be the point where your accusation ....that God lied....
needs to be supported by you

 

[Thief]

That's a shame that you think that, but anyway, I never said that illusion was reality. However what the conditioned mind thinks is reality, is not. You only have to look at the new discoveries in Quantum Physics to see that what we call this 'material' world is now understood as a superposition of possibilities. It's not philosophy. It's cutting edge science. Get with it.

so...science says reality is not what it seems....
you claim you understand what reality is..

and then you want us to follow you......as in ......get with it

I don't think so

 

[Tumah]

....made a sinner out of you and me.
History or allegory?
What is this story about?

All perspectives welcome.

Where in the anything does it say that Adam and Eve made all their children into sinners?

 

[godnotgod]

so...science says reality is not what it seems....
you claim you understand what reality is..

and then you want us to follow you......as in ......get with it

I don't think so

Reality is simply to see things as they are. If you don't see things as they are, then you see things as they are not, which is delusion.

de·lu·sion

1. an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

Quantum Physics has shown us that what the ordinary conditioned mind thinks to be reality, is not the case. That what we call 'material' reality is not material at all, but a virtual reality, a superposition of possibilities.

I never, ever said I want anyone to follow me...ever. So stop nipping at my pantlegs.

'Get with it' does not refer to me, but to the fact that material reality is an illusion, as both Quantum Physics and Hinduism, and yes, Buddhism, tell us. Well, yes, even Christianity:

'My kingdom is not of this world'', and so on.

 

[Thief]

Reality is simply to see things as they are. If you don't see things as they are, then you see things as they are not, which is delusion.

de·lu·sion

1. an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

Quantum Physics has shown us that what the ordinary conditioned mind thinks to be reality, is not the case. That what we call 'material' reality is not material at all, but a virtual reality, a superposition of possibilities.

I never, ever said I want anyone to follow me...ever. So stop nipping at my pantlegs.

'Get with it' does not refer to me, but to the fact that material reality is an illusion, as both Quantum Physics and Hinduism, and yes, Buddhism, tell us. Well, yes, even Christianity:

'My kingdom is not of this world'', and so on.

and you think.?.....the quote of definition doesn't apply to ......'you'

 

[Electus de Lumine]

this might be the point where your accusation ....that God lied....
needs to be supported by you

When someone made statements that contradict themselves and you believe them anyways. I believe it is you who has the burden of proof.

 

[Thief]

When someone made statements that contradict themselves and you believe them anyways. I believe it is you who has the burden of proof.

narrow that down for me

 

[godnotgod]

and you think.?.....the quote of definition doesn't apply to ......'you'

I am aware that material reality is an illusion. You think that banging your head against a wall proves it is real. So no. It applies to you.

 

[Thief]

I am aware that material reality is an illusion. You think that banging your head against a wall proves it is real. So no. It applies to you.

keeping banging your head.....

it will come to you

as for Adam and Eve......no walls
just reality