Adam was made the 3rd Day, Scripturally

[ScuzManiac]

Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Friends, Here is the Chronology of the events:

Day 3, YHWH/Jesus makes Adam. Gen 2:4-7
Day 6, YHWH/Jesus makes Eve. Gen 2:22

Day 6, God (Elohim-the Trinity) "creates" Adam and Eve in God's Image or in Christ at the SAME time. That is because it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to CREATE a new Christian, who will live forever, in Christ. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16





Dear Scuz, You are confused. Adam was made on the THIRD Day and lived with Jesus for some 13.5 Billion years BEFORE Eve was made on the present SIXTH Day. Gen 2:22 The command for them to multiply came AFTER they were born again, Spiritually, which was AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2

Adam was alone and mankind could NOT have children until Eve was made. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

They were born twice? Grasping at straws again, aren't we?

 

[Aman777]

They were born twice? Grasping at straws again, aren't we?

Dear Scuz, Not at all since Jesus told us: Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

That is born again Spiritually, exactly as Adam and Eve were. Gen 5:1-2 Unless people are born again Spiritually, they cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[firedragon]

The second chapter is a summary form, it says the days it was made and doesnt specify third or sixth day. Chapter one does specify, so to say god made any man on the third day is a direct contradiction of scripture regardless how one wants to twist scripture and say he was spiritually made third day, physically made sixth, that is some acrobatic hoop jumping if I have ever seen it.

Brother. There are much more serious issues here. Maybe it doesnt suit to be discussed here but consider this.

God made man and woman together in the first instance. The earliest Greek calls man Anthropos, not Adam. Adam means earth (in simple interpretation), but when God talks of creating man the bible does not mention Adam.

Now consider this. Then God makes Adam, then eve and the bear two children. They bear two children, Cain and Abel and Cain kills Abel. Now the bible says after this that Cain knew his woman and he bears a child. What woman is that? Where did she come from? Obviously it cant be Even that Cain made a child with unless we believe God promotes incest.

Its got to be that when God says he made man and woman, he just means man and woman, not Adam and Eve. He makes Adam and Eve later, Cain mates with one the women born to that man and woman. Its got to be, or there is no other explanation.

And when God molds all the animals out of dirt or clay, he brings it to Adam but the bible doesnt say that he blew the breath of life into them. They are just molds for Adam to see and name. In the previous account when God makes Animals he breaths life into them.

I wrote this in a Jiffy so might be confusing. But the basic point is that these are two separate accounts, not the same.

 

[ScuzManiac]

Dear Scuz, Not at all since Jesus told us: Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

That is born again Spiritually, exactly as Adam and Eve were. Gen 5:1-2 Unless people are born again Spiritually, they cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

But that's not what Genesis 5:1-2 even says.

It's a written account of Adam's family line.

Account = recollection.

Adam = man.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Scuz, Not at all since Jesus told us: Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

That is born again Spiritually, exactly as Adam and Eve were. Gen 5:1-2 Unless people are born again Spiritually, they cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3 God Bless you.

But that's not what Genesis 5:1-2 even says.

It's a written account of Adam's family line.

Account = recollection.

Adam = man.

Dear Scuz, You should learn to study as well as to read. Here are the verses which come AFTER Cain killed Abel.

Genesis 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him; 2 Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Every verse in the Bible, AFTER Gen 2:3 refers BACK to one of the Days or Ages of the Creation. The above verses are speaking of the present 6th Day when God (Elohim-The Trinity) "created" man in Christ, since Christ IS the Image of the invisible Spirit of God. Colossians 1:15

Since this event is ongoing because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ, the above verses are speaking of TODAY. We live TODAY at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the PROPHECY of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns and changes EVERY creature into a Vegetarian. Gen 1:30

It's obvious that you don't know the difference between being "formed" physically, by Jesus, and being Created by the Agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Spiritually and Eternally. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[ScuzManiac]

Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Scuz, Not at all since Jesus told us: Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

That is born again Spiritually, exactly as Adam and Eve were. Gen 5:1-2 Unless people are born again Spiritually, they cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3 God Bless you.




Dear Scuz, You should learn to study as well as to read. Here are the verses which come AFTER Cain killed Abel.

Genesis 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him; 2 Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Every verse in the Bible, AFTER Gen 2:3 refers BACK to one of the Days or Ages of the Creation. The above verses are speaking of the present 6th Day when God (Elohim-The Trinity) "created" man in Christ, since Christ IS the Image of the invisible Spirit of God. Colossians 1:15

Since this event is ongoing because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ, the above verses are speaking of TODAY[/B]. We live TODAY at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the PROPHECY of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns and changes EVERY creature into a Vegetarian. Gen 1:30

It's obvious that you don't know the difference between being "formed" physically, by Jesus, and being Created by the Agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Spiritually and Eternally. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

You're too funny!



Anyways...

Can you explain to me how you know the following:

"Since this event is ongoing because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ, the above verses are speaking of TODAY."

 

[Aman777]

You're too funny!



Anyways...

Can you explain to me how you know the following:

"Since this event is ongoing because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ, the above verses are speaking of TODAY."

Dear Scuz, Today is the Day of Salvation and the Church, working with the Holy Spirit, is STILL bringing sinners to Christ. Just ask any member of the Church and they will help you find someone to help you find your way to Christ, TODAY. Jesus tells us what happens then:

Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;

Just as God told us in Genesis 1:26:

Gen 1:26¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image,

It takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to create a New Creature in Christ, Spiritually. Today, we live at Gen 1:27 for God is STILL creating mankind in His Image which IS Christ. Col 1:15 We will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns and changes EVERY creature into a Vegetarian, at the end of the present 6th Day. Gen 1:30 Be careful of believing those who don't even know what Day it is. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[outhouse]

Im waiting for you to refute this credible knowledge.

It is the rules to proselytizing over and over as well, but it doesn't stop you.


Key phrase, "lets work with facts" Im waiting.


Lets work with facts, not your biased opinion.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin

 

[sojourner]

Aman, you should become an Olympic athlete, considering the gymnastics you're going through to twist the texts into what you already believe. This is comical. This is funny. This is entertainment. What's most comical is that you're actually serious about the offal you're cranking out here.

 

[sojourner]

The second chapter is a summary form, it says the days it was made and doesnt specify third or sixth day. Chapter one does specify, so to say god made any man on the third day is a direct contradiction of scripture regardless how one wants to twist scripture and say he was spiritually made third day, physically made sixth, that is some acrobatic hoop jumping if I have ever seen it.

No. It's not summary. Gen 2 predates Gen 1 by about 500 years.

 

[sojourner]

Dear firedrgon, Genesis says that God (Elohim) created man on the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 Genesis also says that the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus) made man of the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day after the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants and Trees GREW. Gen 2:4-7

The reason is simple. Jesus made man of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day and AFTER Adam sinned and had Cain and Abel, and began to call upon the name of the LORD, Adam and Eve were "created" in God's Image Spiritually, Eternally, by the AGREEMENT of the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16

Jesus "formed" Adam physically and God "created" Adam and Eve Spiritually, on different Days. Our first parents were born again Spiritually, Eternally, and we will get to meet them in Heaven. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

There are several problems here. First, it's incorrect to place Jesus in any of the creation accounts, since none of the writers of Genesis had any concept of Jesus, or of the sort of soteriology that Jesus of the NT represents. Jesus, according to Genesis cannot have been involved in the creation process.

Second, there is no concept of the spiritual body in Genesis such as you are using here. The Spirit is the breath that makes adam nephesh, or a living being.

Third, there is no concept of being "born again" in the theological world of the writers of Genesis. This is something you're impressing upon Genesis from your own, much later and much more hellenized understanding.

The fact is that Gen 1 and Gen 2 do not correlate. They are two different types of stories, with different theological implications, from two different authors and two different earlier myths, produced about 500 years apart. That's the deal, and the texts should be exegeted in that context, if we're to discover what they mean. Your whole exercise is nothing more than made-up garbage, loosely-based on the texts, but is in no way a responsible treatment of the texts.

Period.

 

[sojourner]

Dear Readers, Some people don't realize that Genesis chapter One contains the entire story of the 6 Days or Ages of the Creation of the perfect Heaven, which will be filled with God's Children at the end of the present 6th Day. This is AFTER Jesus fufills the PROPHECY of Gen 1:28-31, and every living creature is changed into a Vegetarian and God says it is very good.

Dear Readers, some people don't realize that Genesis 1 is not a prophecy, does not contain any theological or historical content about Jesus, and says nothing about all creatures becoming vegetarian. Some people don't know the difference between responsible textual and theological criticism and cheap fairy-stories.

 

[sojourner]

Dear Scuz, I love it when an UnBeliever reveals that he cannot understand Scripture.

I love it when someone claims to be a believer, and yet completely screws up biblical interpretation.

 

[sojourner]

Day 6, God (Elohim-the Trinity) "creates" Adam and Eve in God's Image or in Christ at the SAME time.

Part of the problem here is your insistence upon bending two completely different religious traditions and ending up with incoherent interpretations that are simply not true to what the texts (or the traditions involved) tell us! Elohim is patently not -- repeat: not the Trinity in any way, shape, or form. And I, who am a Trinitarian, say so, based upon solid biblical exegesis and theological formation.

 

[sojourner]

Not at all since Jesus told us: Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

That is born again Spiritually, exactly as Adam and Eve were. Gen 5:1-2 Unless people are born again Spiritually, they cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3 God Bless you.

John's gospel has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Genesis, and cannot properly be used as an exegetical tool for the Genesis texts. According to John, unless people are born again, they cannot see God's kingdom. That's simply not the case, though, according to Genesis, which is what we're dealing with here.

Genesis simply does not have the theological framework of spiritual rebirth, and to suggest that it does is to completely turn one's back on reality.

 

[sojourner]

Today, we live at Gen 1:27 for God is STILL creating mankind in His Image which IS Christ.

This is dispensationism at its worst, and is theologically vapid.

We will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns and changes EVERY creature into a Vegetarian, at the end of the present 6th Day.

Genesis is not a prophecy. This assertion is also theologically poorly-contrived.

I've seen more solid theological formation out of a four-year-old than what I'm seeing here. It's really, really sad that one who reveres the texts as much as the OP obviously does should treat them with such disrespect as he is showing here. He should also be aware that, being an adherent to Catholicism, his theological views are in no way considered orthodox by any catholic body.

 

[Aman777]

Aman, you should become an Olympic athlete, considering the gymnastics you're going through to twist the texts into what you already believe. This is comical. This is funny. This is entertainment. What's most comical is that you're actually serious about the offal you're cranking out here.

Dear sojourner, Then refute me Scripturally. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

There are several problems here. First, it's incorrect to place Jesus in any of the creation accounts, since none of the writers of Genesis had any concept of Jesus, or of the sort of soteriology that Jesus of the NT represents. Jesus, according to Genesis cannot have been involved in the creation process.

Dear sojourner, Then WHY did Jesus place Himself on the FIRST Day?

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine Own Self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.

The first firmament or world was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 The ONLY Day before the world was, was the FIRST Day of Creation. Try again?

Second, there is no concept of the spiritual body in Genesis such as you are using here. The Spirit is the breath that makes adam nephesh, or a living being.

UnScriptural, since the ONLY way to be born again Spiritually has NOTHING to do with the breath which Jesus gave to Adam to make him a living being. Gen 1:7

In order to be made Spiritually, Eternally, one MUST be born Spiritually, and it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, to "create" a New Creation in Christ. Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16 Try again?

Third, there is no concept of being "born again" in the theological world of the writers of Genesis. This is something you're impressing upon Genesis from your own, much later and much more hellenized understanding.

Adam was formed of the dust on the 3rd Day but was NOT "created" in God's Image or Spiritually, until the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2 To be "created in God's Image" is to be born again Spiritually, in Christ, since Jesus is the ONLY Image of the invisible God. Col 1:15 This happened to Adam and Eve, Abel, Moses, and all of the Old Testament Prophets. Hebrews 11

The fact is that Gen 1 and Gen 2 do not correlate. They are two different types of stories, with different theological implications, from two different authors and two different earlier myths, produced about 500 years apart. That's the deal, and the texts should be exegeted in that context, if we're to discover what they mean. Your whole exercise is nothing more than made-up garbage, loosely-based on the texts, but is in no way a responsible treatment of the texts.

Thanks for the traditional religious view. Those who see contradictions in Scripture are admitting that they CANNOT understand what it is teaching. When you claim contradictions, you are claiming that God made a mistake.

Period.

More study in indicated. Go back and try to support your religious view with actual Scripture and you will see that it is NOT written as you think it is. Try again? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Dear Readers, some people don't realize that Genesis 1 is not a prophecy, does not contain any theological or historical content about Jesus, and says nothing about all creatures becoming vegetarian. Some people don't know the difference between responsible textual and theological criticism and cheap fairy-stories.

Dear sojourner, Then tell us of a time in the Past when everything "wherein there is Life" has been a Vegetarian. You CANNOT. Read the verse for yourself:

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


When was it so? The above is Future to our time since it will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to our Earth. Isaiah 11:7 Try again? God Bless you.


In Love,
Aman

 

[sojourner]

Dear sojourner, Then refute me Scripturally. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Try reading post #271.