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Adam's and Eve's ?

Frank Buffalo

Frank Buffalo

Member
teage said:
They came from the other ppl created on the 6th day.
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That's not at all clear in the Genesis chapter 1 account. I see something about god creating man and woman in his own image--sounds like one of each. If you combine this statement with the later story of Adam and Eve, and consider the two accounts consistent, then this myth says god created just two people to get humanity started. I know there are biblical criticism arguments that the two creation accounts were separate entities crudely edited into a single narrative, but the same problem presents itself. If the mythical Adam and Eve gave birth to all humanity, then the early sons apparently married sisters. This was OK in ancient Egypt, but Israel's mosaic commandments obviously opposed it.

That whole conundrum disappears if we just accept the understanding that the Genesis creation story (or stories) were simply mythical and not historical. And, once again, evolution resulting in the eventual development of human species provides a better explanation for how humans came to be.
 
teage

teage

Member
Frank Buffalo said:
That's not at all clear in the Genesis chapter 1 account. I see something about god creating man and woman in his own image--sounds like one of each. If you combine this statement with the later story of Adam and Eve, and consider the two accounts consistent, then this myth says god created just two people to get humanity started. I know there are biblical criticism arguments that the two creation accounts were separate entities crudely edited into a single narrative, but the same problem presents itself. If the mythical Adam and Eve gave birth to all humanity, then the early sons apparently married sisters. This was OK in ancient Egypt, but Israel's mosaic commandments obviously opposed it.

That whole conundrum disappears if we just accept the understanding that the Genesis creation story (or stories) were simply mythical and not historical. And, once again, evolution resulting in the eventual development of human species provides a better explanation for how humans came to be.
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If you need further proof, go to your local grocery store and look at all the different kinds of humans.
 
teage

teage

Member
Frank Buffalo said:
That's not at all clear in the Genesis chapter 1 account. I see something about god creating man and woman in his own image--sounds like one of each. If you combine this statement with the later story of Adam and Eve, and consider the two accounts consistent, then this myth says god created just two people to get humanity started. I know there are biblical criticism arguments that the two creation accounts were separate entities crudely edited into a single narrative, but the same problem presents itself. If the mythical Adam and Eve gave birth to all humanity, then the early sons apparently married sisters. This was OK in ancient Egypt, but Israel's mosaic commandments obviously opposed it.

That whole conundrum disappears if we just accept the understanding that the Genesis creation story (or stories) were simply mythical and not historical. And, once again, evolution resulting in the eventual development of human species provides a better explanation for how humans came to be.
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I would also like to add that I do agree with you to a certain degree.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Dimamuant said:
Your argument failed in the first three words you wrote . Humans have a dualism with an animal body . This dualism is a set of defining rules that keeps the animal body subdued . Before dualism ''humans'' were much more animal like in nature . The fact that alphabetic letters or symbolism hadn't use to exist is the proof that we were once just animals . You mention human ancestors but this isn't true because the humanity did not exist .
History is really strange because even French words and other countries languages have what is known as an English alphabet , bonjour for example .


Did you know that back in time ''humans'' jumped off cliffs , jumped into oceans etc because they were quite stupid . Many lives were lost before they realised they couldn't fly like the birds . Many lives were lost before they learned how to swim . They ate many poisons and so on because they just hadn't evolved their sentient being within their minds .
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No, my argument is rock solid. If you want to make your "dualism" claim the burden of proof is upon you.

Perhaps you should learn how to debate properly. Odds are that you do not even understand the concept of evidence. All of my claims are very well supported by scientific evidence. You do not appear to have any reliable evidence at all.

EDIT: Oh my! I should have read the whole post. I think that I have been poed.
 
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Dimamuant

*Banned*
Subduction Zone said:
No, my argument is rock solid. If you want to make your "dualism" claim the burden of proof is upon you.

Perhaps you should learn how to debate properly. Odds are that you do not even understand the concept of evidence. All of my claims are very well supported by scientific evidence. You do not appear to have any reliable evidence at all.
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Actually the proof is within all of us and the very fact , that without words , the letters that forms words , Subduction Zone does not exist. How can you exist without an existence ?

Does your body need words to exist ?

Your strawman argument has just been blown away
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Dimamuant said:
Already knew it was bait , already knew you'd change it to try and make me think I am at error . Nerrrr , my reads were fine, **** this fake *** forum and your numbers , you have lost me and my science . That was your last chance ,
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I have changed nothing and i believe you are at error but you are entitled to your own beliefs, if however you make those beliefs public you should expect them to be questioned. That's what make this forum great.

Oh goody , my last chance, i do love empty threata.
 
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Dimamuant

*Banned*
ChristineM said:
I have changed nothing and i believe you are at error but you are entitled to your own beliefs, if however you make those beliefs public you should expect them to be questioned. That's what make this forum great.

Oh goody , my last chance, i do love empty threata.
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So you really thought I'd come on this fake clone page and start writing more Adam and Eve etc , ghost writing for some prick ?
 
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Dimamuant

*Banned*
ChristineM said:
I have changed nothing and i believe you are at error but you are entitled to your own beliefs, if however you make those beliefs public you should expect them to be questioned. That's what make this forum great.

Oh goody , my last chance, i do love empty threata.
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You are not getting the rest of this -
After the meteor impacted the Earth , the lasting impression of the survivors was sadness . I will never forget the tortured screams I heard as my cowardice got the better of me , hiding in a ditch until the world went quiet .The food sources were gone , the world was in ruins. Scavenging for food was all there was and each day I became weaker .
I remember the morning dew on the grass as I lay there with my last breathes . I prayed for help as my blurry vision stared into the darkness of no hope .Light turned into darkness and darkness turned into light as I faded in and out of consciousness , knowing this was the end for me .A single teardrop rolled down my cheek as the blueness of the sky became the blueness of my lips .I opened my eyes for a final time , in a blurry dream of paradise , then all was dark .
I awoke with dizziness and confusion , the paradise I had dreamed was reality . I wondered how I got here , still feeling weak and dazed .I slowly lifted my body into a sitting position and as my sight became clearer , I soon realised that paradise was just a garden with flowers .It was a miracle that amongst the ruins and desolation a single piece of paradise had survived .
All of a sudden my attention to the garden was distracted by the sound of a voice , ''Hello'' she called out . In the distance I could see the figure of a women and with hesitation she slowly started to near .''Hello'' she said again , ''don't try to speak , save your strength''! she then explained .''You are very weak , you almost died , I had to use all my strength to drag you here '' , she further explained . ''Here, eat this apple'' she insisted . Was I dreaming , was I dead , could this be real ,the confusion that ran through my mind . The taste , the sweetness , the juiciness, just one bite and I knew this was reality .
I ate the apple slowly , savouring every bite when suddenly she said , '' My name is Eve''! I almost choked on the apple in shock of the irony because my name is Adam . I sat there in silence , pondering over the thought of Adam and Eve , everybody knew the story of Eden . I continued to eat the apple but for some reason it didn't taste so sweet anymore .''Here you go'' she said as she handed me some water . At this time I first saw clearly again , she was so beautiful . She had the face of an angel and a sparkle in her eyes that screamed out kindness .
''I am Adam'' I explained ! She instantly giggled and replied , '' you are joking right , you know my name is Eve''? ''Yes'' I answered , ''you couldn't have wrote this scenario ,'' I explained as we both smiled in humour .Jokingly I then said , ''shall we call this paradise Eden''? She smiled and said , '' I'll be right back'' , as she quickly hurried off into the distance .
I sat there gazing in the direction she went , worried she wasn't going to return . Those anxious moments of fear knowing I was still weak and needed help . Help was at my finger tips and she walked away . A while passed by and I became more and more anxious waiting for her return . Suddenly I heard a voice but it came from a different direction . I slowly turned my head and to my amazement there stood a child . Walking behind the child was the women who had helped me earlier and in her hand she was carrying a basket . I felt so relieved she had returned and wondered how they'd managed to survive all this time after the impact alone .
''Hello again'' she said . ''Here is some food and drink for you '' she explained . ''We have to go now before the others find us '' , she explained with a feared expression . Quickly they left again. I shouted ''wait'' but it was to no prevail . I looked around as they vanished into the distance , an eerie chill running down my spine as I wondered what she meant by the others .
As night time approached I dragged myself and the basket over to a bush , my legs were still too weak to walk . The bush had an opening but it was blocked by brambles . I knew this was going to be a painful experience but I had no choice but to clear a path with my hands . I knew I needed a canopy for the night .
 
G

GoodAttention

Well-Known Member
Frank Buffalo said:
That's not at all clear in the Genesis chapter 1 account. I see something about god creating man and woman in his own image--sounds like one of each. If you combine this statement with the later story of Adam and Eve, and consider the two accounts consistent, then this myth says god created just two people to get humanity started.
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Yeh thats an incorrect reading.

I feel like I will be explaining this until the day I die but here it goes again.

Mankind created on day 6, as explained very clearly in Genesis 1. Adam on day 2, explained somewhat cryptically given it says he was made from earth BEFORE there was any plants or rain. We know this is day 2 from the explanation given in the 7 days of creation. Eve is THE EARLIEST day 8, since "no helper" could be found for Adam on day 6, God removes his rib, puts him in a deep sleep, and then creates Eve. Since God rests on day 7, the earliest day she is created is day 8.


Frank Buffalo said:
I know there are biblical criticism arguments that the two creation accounts were separate entities crudely edited into a single narrative, but the same problem presents itself. If the mythical Adam and Eve gave birth to all humanity, then the early sons apparently married sisters. This was OK in ancient Egypt, but Israel's mosaic commandments obviously opposed it.

That whole conundrum disappears if we just accept the understanding that the Genesis creation story (or stories) were simply mythical and not historical. And, once again, evolution resulting in the eventual development of human species provides a better explanation for how humans came to be.
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You don't get the same problem if you read it as it is written. There is nothing crude about the single narrative, it is misunderstood by Christian scholars.

You want incestuous beginnings? Sure, go for it. You want to read a story that make more historical sense? Read it as I do. At least that way you have multiple couples (thems) created on day 6, and you don't have incestuous beginnings. It also means humans were on earth for a lot longer and BEFORE Adam and Eve experienced the fall from Eden.

Christians don't like this interpretation for one reason only, and that is because the think their "original sin" philosophy will fall down like a house of cards.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Dimamuant said:
So you really thought I'd come on this fake clone page and start writing more Adam and Eve etc , ghost writing for some prick ?
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It's really up to you, you do whatever you want within the rules of RF, and abusing people is against the rules
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Dimamuant said:
You are not getting the rest of this -
After the meteor impacted the Earth , the lasting impression of the survivors was sadness . I will never forget the tortured screams I heard as my cowardice got the better of me , hiding in a ditch until the world went quiet .The food sources were gone , the world was in ruins. Scavenging for food was all there was and each day I became weaker .
I remember the morning dew on the grass as I lay there with my last breathes . I prayed for help as my blurry vision stared into the darkness of no hope .Light turned into darkness and darkness turned into light as I faded in and out of consciousness , knowing this was the end for me .A single teardrop rolled down my cheek as the blueness of the sky became the blueness of my lips .I opened my eyes for a final time , in a blurry dream of paradise , then all was dark .
I awoke with dizziness and confusion , the paradise I had dreamed was reality . I wondered how I got here , still feeling weak and dazed .I slowly lifted my body into a sitting position and as my sight became clearer , I soon realised that paradise was just a garden with flowers .It was a miracle that amongst the ruins and desolation a single piece of paradise had survived .
All of a sudden my attention to the garden was distracted by the sound of a voice , ''Hello'' she called out . In the distance I could see the figure of a women and with hesitation she slowly started to near .''Hello'' she said again , ''don't try to speak , save your strength''! she then explained .''You are very weak , you almost died , I had to use all my strength to drag you here '' , she further explained . ''Here, eat this apple'' she insisted . Was I dreaming , was I dead , could this be real ,the confusion that ran through my mind . The taste , the sweetness , the juiciness, just one bite and I knew this was reality .
I ate the apple slowly , savouring every bite when suddenly she said , '' My name is Eve''! I almost choked on the apple in shock of the irony because my name is Adam . I sat there in silence , pondering over the thought of Adam and Eve , everybody knew the story of Eden . I continued to eat the apple but for some reason it didn't taste so sweet anymore .''Here you go'' she said as she handed me some water . At this time I first saw clearly again , she was so beautiful . She had the face of an angel and a sparkle in her eyes that screamed out kindness .
''I am Adam'' I explained ! She instantly giggled and replied , '' you are joking right , you know my name is Eve''? ''Yes'' I answered , ''you couldn't have wrote this scenario ,'' I explained as we both smiled in humour .Jokingly I then said , ''shall we call this paradise Eden''? She smiled and said , '' I'll be right back'' , as she quickly hurried off into the distance .
I sat there gazing in the direction she went , worried she wasn't going to return . Those anxious moments of fear knowing I was still weak and needed help . Help was at my finger tips and she walked away . A while passed by and I became more and more anxious waiting for her return . Suddenly I heard a voice but it came from a different direction . I slowly turned my head and to my amazement there stood a child . Walking behind the child was the women who had helped me earlier and in her hand she was carrying a basket . I felt so relieved she had returned and wondered how they'd managed to survive all this time after the impact alone .
''Hello again'' she said . ''Here is some food and drink for you '' she explained . ''We have to go now before the others find us '' , she explained with a feared expression . Quickly they left again. I shouted ''wait'' but it was to no prevail . I looked around as they vanished into the distance , an eerie chill running down my spine as I wondered what she meant by the others .
As night time approached I dragged myself and the basket over to a bush , my legs were still too weak to walk . The bush had an opening but it was blocked by brambles . I knew this was going to be a painful experience but I had no choice but to clear a path with my hands . I knew I needed a canopy for the night .
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TLDR
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Dimamuant said:
Evolution theory would rule out Adam and Eve . The fact that new born babies cannot survive in the wild without care rules out evolution.

So where did Adam's and Eve's come from , if not created and formed as fully grown adults by the creator?
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I believe they were cloned. Adam from a blod clot retived from the earth and Eve from Addam's rib.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
ChristineM said:
Not really ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and ‘mitochondrial Eve’ are known to have lived, i.e. the first of the male line and first of the female line to make the humanity today.

The thing is they lived thousands of years apart.

Google ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and ‘mitochondrial Eve’
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As far as we know and we don't know much.
 
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