Adam's and Eve's ?

[Mock Turtle]

So oddly you just agreed number 16 is on here , are you confirming his and her position for me ?

You must be under a delusion since I have never presented as being anything other than being male, so perhaps you have mistook another 'Mock Turtle' as being myself, although this is the only website I have used such. But I can't claim to be entirely virtuous so perhaps being a 'sicko' is quite appropriate - but then it often takes one to recognise one.

PS Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

 

[viole]

Evolution theory would rule out Adam and Eve . The fact that new born babies cannot survive in the wild without care rules out evolution.

It does not rule out evolution. It confirms the evolutionary explanation for long term love; something humans so much yearn and respect. On account of our children needing so long to be independent, as you said. Hence, the evolutionary trait which favors, and culturally respect, long term love, which favors long term relationships and join effort to grow a child until it is independent.

IOW: the sentence "till death set you apart", is an evolutionary selected statement.

Ciao

- viole

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Evolution theory would rule out Adam and Eve . The fact that new born babies cannot survive in the wild without care rules out evolution.

OMGosh. Are you not familiar that many creatures lay eggs that they then abandon? Parental care is not evolutionarily necessary.

You can examine fossils and the multiplicity of species, and can see what is actually a SPECTRUM ranging from zero parenting to years and years of parenting. For example, some species lay eggs but still parent to some respect. Some creatures only parent for weeks, or even days. You get the idea. ALL of these things are due to evolution.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The fact that new born babies cannot survive in the wild without care rules out evolution.

lol, wtf?

Why on earth would that rule out evolution?

So where did Adam's and Eve's come from , if not created and formed as fully grown adults by the creator?

Evolution

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

A mother and father would have once been babies

Who also had mothers and fathers

, logically human adults can't be adults without been an infant first .

No kidding, sherlock

Logically a baby cannot survive in water or on land without assistance because when they are born , they can't see , walk , crawl etc . They'd just be prey for all other species and exposed to the elements .

The logical explanation of humans is a creator , even if this enters cloning theory . For humans to exist , when they were first created , there is a need and a must for isolation and assistance .

You might want to read up on how evolution works.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Not really ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and ‘mitochondrial Eve’ are known to have lived, i.e. the first of the male line and first of the female line to make the humanity today.

Just to be clear, they weren't the "first" anything.
Rather males can trace their ancestry to y-chromosome adam and females to mitochondrial eve.
But when these were alive, they were each part of a population of many other males and females.
And they too had ancestors.

They weren't the "first" anything.

The thing is they lived thousands of years apart.

Yes. 10s of thousands, in fact.

 

[wellwisher]

Just to be clear, they weren't the "first" anything.
Rather males can trace their ancestry to y-chromosome adam and females to mitochondrial eve.
But when these were alive, they were each part of a population of many other males and females.
And they too had ancestors.

They weren't the "first" anything.



Yes. 10s of thousands, in fact.

Adam and Eve, were the first modern humans with two centers of consciousness; both an inner self and an ego. Modern humans have two centers of consciousness. The inner self is older and is common to all the animals. It is the center of the unconscious mind and animal instinct and what defines each species in terms of consciousness behavior; human nature is common to all humans.

Before Adam and Eve, humans were closer to advanced natural animals, with only an inner self. The ego is much newer, it is only 6-10K years old instead of hundreds of millions of years old like the inner self of dinosaurs. The ego is what allowed civilization to form; secondary POV, that disconnected from natural instinct.

The early symbolism of Adam and Eve in paradise is about the period of time when they were governed by their inner self and natural instinct. The ego appears more with the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It offers will and choice apart from the inner self. As you read Genesis, beyond the story of Adam and Eve, humans become unnatural and perverted, due to the ego will and choices and loss of instinct from the inner self; experimental time.

Adam and Eve symbolize a major update of the human brain's operating system, to form a new type of human who could develop civilization. The first civilization appear between 6-10K years ago. This is where the modern human ego appears. Evolution only looks at the DNA, with human DNA older than 10,000 years. Adam and Eve had human DNA, but they also the major brain update that led to the loss of natural instinct and the rise of a replacement, civilization.

Have you ever asked yourself why did humans suddenly stop their migratory herding and wandering and then suddenly go a through an invention stage that would alter 100,000 years of previous behavior; settle and build civilizations. It was a brain update. This is why the formation of Adam and Eve is not done biologically, since it is more about software and not hardware. Adam come from the dust of the earth; from natural instinct. Eve is a clone of Adam; stem cells from one of his ribs; semi-biological with human modification. After the fall their sons are biological; genealogy. Cain was a tiller of the soil and Abel was herder of animals. When Cain kills Abel farming supersedes migratory herding; DNA change into two centers and civilization appears.

My theory is this change had to do with the relationship between humans and dogs, with dogs the first domesticated animal. Both had been apex predators who formed a relationship and became partners before their mutual domestication. Each learn from the other and added new advantageous behavior that were not part of each other's natural instinct. Each became more than their natural DNA, and its innate inner self from the migratory days. Domestication of dogs was somewhere between 12,000 to 30,000 years ago. Not much later, human advanced very quickly; brain update. A subroutine formed beyond the inner self, which would consolidate into the modern ego secondary center; secondary organic AI.

 

[ChristineM]

Just to be clear, they weren't the "first" anything.
Rather males can trace their ancestry to y-chromosome adam and females to mitochondrial eve.
But when these were alive, they were each part of a population of many other males and females.
And they too had ancestors.

They weren't the "first" anything.



Yes. 10s of thousands, in fact.

I thought my "male line" and "female" line
Plus living thousands (or tens of thousands) years apart (a controversial figure ive seen ranging for 15 to 150 thousand years apart)
Made it clear. But your post does clarify it better

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Adam and Eve had human DNA, but they also the major brain update that led to the loss of natural instinct and the rise of a replacement, civilization.

The structure of the brain is determined by DNA also.
Your bare claims make no sense as a result.

Have you ever asked yourself why did humans suddenly stop their migratory herding and wandering and then suddenly go a through an invention stage that would alter 100,000 years of previous behavior; settle and build civilizations.

It wasn't "sudden". It took many centuries / millennia. Civilizations didn't pop up out of nowhere. They were preceded by a long history of every bigger growing settlements.

Having said that, technology is oftenly, if not always, followed by exponential advancement. Small initial steps which lead to giant advancement in relatively short time. It can take ages to get those initial sparks of a new idea / invention after which there comes an explosion of rapid advancement.

No more then 150 years ago, streets were lit with oil lamps and homes didn't have any central heating.
Today, robots are driving around on Mars.

No "brain updates" happened. Electricity happened. Atomic theory happened. Relativity happened.


When you have a tribe that is nomadic, you can only own as much as you can carry around.
Then a simple idea happens: let's settle in one place and build huts to sleep in. Now suddenly you soon will own more then you can carry. You can stockpile.
This triggers things: more free time (= more time to think about stuff and invent things, like the wheel, agricultural advancement, domestication of animals, etc). Stockpiling also initiates trade with other settled tribes who stockpile other things. This brings about the need to keep track of stocks and trade. Writing is a good way to do that. Boom. Giant advancement in all types of ways triggered by the simple idea of not moving around all the time and instead stay in one place and build shelter.


There's no need at all for inventing "mystical" explanations for such developments.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I thought my "male line" and "female" line
Plus living thousands (or tens of thousands) years apart (a controversial figure ive seen ranging for 15 to 150 thousand years apart)
Made it clear. But your post does clarify it better

I know you know.

I have experience with creationists and evolution deniers though.... They'll see the word "first" and they'll flip out on it.

 

[Muffled]

So you are a genesis 2 man?

I believe the science and mytholgy support that view of Genesis.

 

[Muffled]

DNA doesn't lie

As my brother used to say, Statistics don't lie but people do or simply view the facts as they preder to see them

 

[Muffled]

Actually , God didn't create the Universe ,just life .

I believe God claims that He created everything.

 

[Feedmysheep]

There's no need at all for inventing "mystical" explanations for such developments.

How would you describe the very first instance of natural selection to have occurred?

 

[ChristineM]

As my brother used to say, Statistics don't lie but people do or simply view the facts as they preder to see them

DNA is not statistics

 

[Subduction Zone]

Adam and Eve, were the first modern humans with two centers of consciousness; both an inner self and an ego. Modern humans have two centers of consciousness. The inner self is older and is common to all the animals. It is the center of the unconscious mind and animal instinct and what defines each species in terms of consciousness behavior; human nature is common to all humans.

Before Adam and Eve, humans were closer to advanced natural animals, with only an inner self. The ego is much newer, it is only 6-10K years old instead of hundreds of millions of years old like the inner self of dinosaurs. The ego is what allowed civilization to form; secondary POV, that disconnected from natural instinct.

The early symbolism of Adam and Eve in paradise is about the period of time when they were governed by their inner self and natural instinct. The ego appears more with the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It offers will and choice apart from the inner self. As you read Genesis, beyond the story of Adam and Eve, humans become unnatural and perverted, due to the ego will and choices and loss of instinct from the inner self; experimental time.

Adam and Eve symbolize a major update of the human brain's operating system, to form a new type of human who could develop civilization. The first civilization appear between 6-10K years ago. This is where the modern human ego appears. Evolution only looks at the DNA, with human DNA older than 10,000 years. Adam and Eve had human DNA, but they also the major brain update that led to the loss of natural instinct and the rise of a replacement, civilization.

Have you ever asked yourself why did humans suddenly stop their migratory herding and wandering and then suddenly go a through an invention stage that would alter 100,000 years of previous behavior; settle and build civilizations. It was a brain update. This is why the formation of Adam and Eve is not done biologically, since it is more about software and not hardware. Adam come from the dust of the earth; from natural instinct. Eve is a clone of Adam; stem cells from one of his ribs; semi-biological with human modification. After the fall their sons are biological; genealogy. Cain was a tiller of the soil and Abel was herder of animals. When Cain kills Abel farming supersedes migratory herding; DNA change into two centers and civilization appears.

My theory is this change had to do with the relationship between humans and dogs, with dogs the first domesticated animal. Both had been apex predators who formed a relationship and became partners before their mutual domestication. Each learn from the other and added new advantageous behavior that were not part of each other's natural instinct. Each became more than their natural DNA, and its innate inner self from the migratory days. Domestication of dogs was somewhere between 12,000 to 30,000 years ago. Not much later, human advanced very quickly; brain update. A subroutine formed beyond the inner self, which would consolidate into the modern ego secondary center; secondary organic AI.

Cool story bro. Do you have any evidence? Do you even understand the concept of evidence?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe the science and mytholgy support that view of Genesis.

Then you do not understand even the basics of science. Are you willing to learn?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe God claims that He created everything.

Why would you believe that? The Bible is a work of man. The obvious flaws in it show that it cannot be "the word of God". And if all that you have is denial then you are in fact admitting that you are wrong every time that people provide you evidence and you cannot refute it.

Here is the problem that you have as a Christian. You are supposed to try to spread the "good news". But when you refuse to learn how to argue rationally you only make the "good news" look like fake news. Your actions have the opposite effects of what you are supposed to do. Bad arguments drive people away from your beliefs.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Evolution

This cracked me up. It's so simple.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

How would you describe the very first instance of natural selection to have occurred?

What a strange question.

Natural selection automatically occurs when you have organisms that reproduce with variation and are in competition over limited resources in an ever-changing environment.

So it started the second there were organisms that reproduced with variation.