Adios europe, hello Islam!?

[groves200]

So is this a real threat? It's been on my mind for a while and I must admit, I am worried about Europe's future specifically Britain and Germany since I'm a native German living in Britain. I'm not racist (Impossible, Islam isn't a race), I simply fear the outcome of being a minority on our own land and the consequences of it.

Now some people might say that there would be nothing wrong if this happened, since the vast majority of Muslims are tolerant people who would not dream of interfering with our way of life, but it's necessary to point out that in Muslim countries, it's usually the radicals and extremist mullahs who regard tolerance as a vice - who make the running while the other minority of Muslims who are tolerant and peaceful keep their mouths shut and go-with-the-flow. So all this "we're not all bad" technically counts for nothing at-all. Only a minority of Germans were Nazi, did this prevent WW2? no, of course not.

Another thing is the freedom of speech, if a Muslim was to go in the street shouting out death threats and hate speech towards native European's, would they be arrested? We know the answer to this one. Why? I don't know the answer to that one.

EDIT: Ah almost forgot, the ultimate question here is, will Europe become Islam? I mean, once we are a minority and the first Muslim party pops up all the Muslims will vote for them and that's us gone!

 

[Laika]

will Europe become Islam?

No. The demographics/population changes involved would have to be staggering. Muslims are a minority in the EU and that won't change anything soon. here's some figures to give you an idea.

UK.
(2011 Census)
Christian (59.5%)
Islam (4.4%)

Germany
(2011 Census)
Christian (61%)
Islam (5%)

European Union
Catholic 48%
Protestant 12%
Orthodox 8%
Other Christian 4%
Islam 2%

 

[Flankerl]

Germany
(2011 Census)
Christian (61%)
Islam (5%)

Actually the 5% are not from the census. The census only had 1,9% as Muslims because people could withhold this information.
An estimate from 2009 gave it 5,4% and its probably higher.

 

[Laika]

Actually the 5% are not from the census. The census only had 1,9% as Muslims because people could withhold this information.
An estimate from 2009 gave it 5,4% and its probably higher.

fair enough. I went with the statistics based on the pie charts. but your right, the page Islam in Germany clarifies the statistics a bit more. Thanks for that.

 

[groves200]

The people leaving Islamic countries are the people who want to get away from the Islamic Extremists, many of them don't want a theocratic nation.

How were only a minority of Germans Nazi post ww2? How did Hitler get elected then?

What do you mean when you say "and the first Muslim party pops up all the Muslims will vote for them and that's us gone!"
To start, Muslims won't become the majority populace. Even implying that that might happen in Europe in the foreseeable future is ridiculous IMO, since Europeans already have a bias towards Muslim faiths and because they won't allow too many people to immigrate, restrictions will be put up.

Even if the "Muslim party" did win an election, we wouldn't be "gone" they would have their turn in power, and then eventually people would change their vote and a new party would come to power. If the people wanted a Muslim party, give them a Muslim party. Providing that the country remained democratic, any radical change would just eventually lead to them losing their power.

I was going to debate this, but I decided to delete it all and simply say wait and see.
btw: our reproduction rates are to low to be replaced by us natives. Government statistics, not mine.

 

[Flankerl]

The people leaving Islamic countries are the people who want to get away from the Islamic Extremists, many of them don't want a theocratic nation.

In theory: True
In reality: Nope nope nope nope

 

[Flankerl]

Never wondered how the children of the immigrants are more religious than their parents?

It's sunday, so not really into the whole source finding thingy.

 

[Quetzal]

In theory: True
In reality: Nope nope nope nope

Bottom line is they wouldn't really have a choice. Further, they have seen and experienced the horrors of a theocratic nation gone wrong, do you really think they want to tempt that idea again?

 

[Ouroboros]

Bottom line is they wouldn't really have a choice. Further, they have seen and experienced the horrors of a theocratic nation gone wrong, do you really think they want to tempt that idea again?

Probably true for the first generation, but I suspect it's the second generation, born in the new country, having no experience or memory of oppression, that can "reconnect" with their cultural roots (i.e. strive to revive their old culture, religion, fundamentalism) and cause problems.

 

[Godobeyer]

Europe suppose home of freedom and equality ?
Human rights , and freedom ,sense of humanity adios too by OP ?

 

[Godobeyer]

In theory: True
In reality: Nope nope nope nope

what are reason then ?

poverity, freedom ?

so why did not go to Europe before the civil war ?

Why the people in Tunisia and Algeria (now) , and Moroco ,and Egypt don't invade Europe as refugees that comes from Syria and Iraq ?

 

[Ouroboros]

Many Muslims experience oppression from average citizens every day, just because your in the first world doesn't make them exempt of oppression.

Sure. Which just makes it worse and increases the chances of disappointment and the rise of 2nd or 3rd generation disgruntled Muslims, trying to reconnect with their roots in the country their parents fled from.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I really doubt it. Of course it's not technically something that is impossible, but it is so remote and unlikely that it's really not worth worrying about.

Only a minority of Germans were Nazi, did this prevent WW2? no, of course not.

A lot of Germans did support the Nazi party. It enjoyed support from a wide range of people, including the everyday average German, academics, politicians, and people concerned with the crumbling condition of Germany. But, the extremism came later, and that was when support began to decline, but that was about the time party support was mandatory.

How were only a minority of Germans Nazi post ww2? How did Hitler get elected then?

He wasn't elected. He had the deck stacked in his favor, he was appointed, and then he had total power.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Dont be a drama queen now. Muslims are still small minority. 500 million people live in Europe. How can few million muslims be a threat to EU?


Maybe Europeans are threat to each other by converting to islam? I know churches are empty lately in EU.
Time to make Church a little bit cool? Right now statistics says churches is filled up by old people.


There is no way Muslims could become majority in Europe.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"It is written in the Koran, that anyone who do not acknowledge their authority are sinners; it is their right and duty to make war upon them whenever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners.”

Why do some many Muslims disagree with that? Why is it that so many believe their ways do not apply to non-Muslims?

% Contribution of Muslims to world population = 23%
% Contribution of (world) terrorism by Muslims = 95%
In other words, 77% of non-Muslims contribute to 5% of world terrorism (this includes terrorism due to politics).
So on an average, Islamic preaching makes a person 65 times more prone to be violent than an average non Muslim.
Islam is religious Mafia.

I doubt Muslim extremists commit 95% of all terrorism. And such statistics are rather dubious. There are about 1.6 billion Muslims, however, only about 200 million support and sanction religious based violence. That's only about 10% of all Muslims. And of those 200 million, they are mostly attacking and killing each other.

To make matters worse, they have too much money in their dirty hands (from zakat and other sources) with which they can easily corrupt the politics and the press/media (in your nation) to their favor.
I believe this could be the reason why muslims are enjoying the "freedom of speech" without being punished. This is the reason how they could brainwash believers to make hardcore ISIS supporters right under our nose.

ISIS recruits more or less like any other terrorist groups. They prey upon young men (mostly) who are marginalized, discriminated against, those who society does not want. They look for those who society has crapped all over, and they speak of making a difference, doing something with their lives, and standing against their oppressors. Really, it's us who are doing the recruiting for ISIS by being so hostile against Muslims.

Islam propagates through brains-washing. So unless the government do something to stop this, I fear, in the near future peace as we know it know will be a thing of the past. Government has to ban religious circumcision and other religious practices.

Unless a religious practice is causing harm, there is no reason to ban it. Governments should restrict circumcision, but if a consenting adult wants to get it done for religious reasons there is no reason to tell them no. Should governments ban Wiccan rituals? Should they ban communion? Should they ban prayer? Should they bar the Asatru from getting together and honoring their ancestors? And if we want to ban proselytizing, we would have to be consistent and ban people from trying to persuade others over political issues, because there are political activist terrorists.

 

[Lyndon]

Morphesium conveniently ignored the state sponsored terrorism of the US and Allied military forces. The've killed more innocent civilians than the Muslim terrorists have.

 

[groves200]

Being more religious=/= islamic extremism.

I think since most immigrants understand how it feels to be a minority, so will not try to impose that feeling on others. Most Islamic people here are against all forms of caliphate.

Saying a claim is wrong then saying you don't feel like finding a source is questionable.

A Muslim himself said that the more religious and obsessed you become with the religion the more danger you will pose to others, this creates extremists. And yes, Fair enough SOME of them come for peace, but how do you explain the terrorist attacks on our own doorsteps from those who claim to have come here for a better life? hmm... How about the bombings in Sweden? Sweden was a peaceful country and they had never experienced any sort of terrorist attacks until a Muslims immigrated to their country, or is it simply a coincidence that we can shrug off and say oh well bad luck sh*t happens stop being racist?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A Muslim himself said that the more religious and obsessed you become with the religion the more danger you will pose to others, this creates extremists. And yes, Fair enough SOME of them come for peace, but how do you explain the terrorist attacks on our own doorsteps from those who claim to have come here for a better life? hmm... How about the bombings in Sweden? Sweden was a peaceful country and they had never experienced any sort of terrorist attacks until a Muslims immigrated to their country, or is it simply a coincidence that we can shrug off and say oh well bad luck sh*t happens stop being racist?

In America and Europe, Muslims commit fewer acts of terrorism, and it is other domestic groups that commit the majority of acts of terrorism. Groups like the Animal Liberation Front and Earth Liberation Front, according to the FBI and even "experts" on terrorism, pose the greatest domestic threat in the West.

 

[Quetzal]

Probably true for the first generation, but I suspect it's the second generation, born in the new country, having no experience or memory of oppression, that can "reconnect" with their cultural roots (i.e. strive to revive their old culture, religion, fundamentalism) and cause problems.

That is a possibility, but it does open an opportunity to educate and expand the minds of the next generation. Here is to hoping.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I'm not racist (Impossible, Islam isn't a race), I simply fear the outcome of being a minority on our own land and the consequences of it.

Xenophobic bigotry, while technically not 'racist', is no more acceptable.

A Muslim himself said that the more religious and obsessed you become with the religion the more danger you will pose to others, this creates extremists.

A Muslim? One? Out of 1.6 billion? Seriously?